Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[magicjuan]

To be fair, facts are facts. It's not expensive to eat healthily.

Time poor etc. is a different argument.

10 low cost family meals made in 1 hour with ALDI ingredients - The Batch Lady

Here I run through my 10 minced beef family meals made in...

thebatchlady.com

etc.

You really are confusing 'healthily' with 'cheaply', not the same thing. Have you used Aldi mince?
The 10 meals malarkey you've posted isn't really cool is it. What about breakfasts, lunches, packed lunches, fruit etc.
You have to take into account pack sizes, how long certain foods will last, storage space, cooking utensils, capabilities etc etc.
I didn't see a recipe for granny sucking eggs, maybe there's a reason?
Buy 2 of Tescos 3k fusili pasta bags cost about £6, 8 cartons passatta about £2.40, 1 tub oregano 80p, £9.20. You'd get 30 individual meals from that. Healthy? No. Nutritious? No. Boring? Yes. That's what you're putting across.

 

[ramacca]

Matt Hancock set up the NHS Supply Chain Co-ordination Ltd to procure medical supplies and equipment for the NHS. Incredibly, right under their nose in this country PPE is being transported to Europe at the same time shortages are happening in the UK.

Watch: Sunak – ‘We’re doing everything possible on PPE’. UK PPE companies sending 5m masks abroad as govt ignoring them

 

[davek]

Just talking to a cousin in Czech who has just got back from a trip with a boyfriend. They were having a beer in the sun outside a pub. Social distancing doesn't appear to be a thing there.

It only seems strange for people to be doing normal things like walks topped off by a drink because we live in a country that's been governed appallingly and are miles off where we can be to do that. The Czechs put our banana republic to shame.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Interesting article, have quoted a bit that might be helpful

Opinion | The Infection That’s Silently Killing Coronavirus Patients (Published 2020)

This is what I learned during 10 days of treating Covid pneumonia at Bellevue Hospital.

www.nytimes.com

There is a way we could identify more patients who have Covid pneumonia sooner and treat them more effectively — and it would not require waiting for a coronavirus test at a hospital or doctor’s office. It requires detecting silent hypoxia early through a common medical device that can be purchased without a prescription at most pharmacies: a pulse oximeter.

Pulse oximetry is no more complicated than using a thermometer. These small devices turn on with one button and are placed on a fingertip. In a few seconds, two numbers are displayed: oxygen saturation and pulse rate. Pulse oximeters are extremely reliable in detecting oxygenation problems and elevated heart rates.

Pulse oximeters helped save the lives of two emergency physicians I know, alerting them early on to the need for treatment. When they noticed their oxygen levels declining, both went to the hospital and recovered (though one waited longer and required more treatment). Detection of hypoxia, early treatment and close monitoring apparently also worked for Boris Johnson, the British prime minister.

Widespread pulse oximetry screening for Covid pneumonia — whether people check themselves on home devices or go to clinics or doctors’ offices — could provide an early warning system for the kinds of breathing problems associated with Covid pneumonia. People using the devices at home would want to consult with their doctors to reduce the number of people who come to the E.R. unnecessarily because they misinterpret their device. There also may be some patients who have unrecognized chronic lung problems and have borderline or slightly low oxygen saturations unrelated to Covid-19.

All patients who have tested positive for the coronavirus should have pulse oximetry monitoring for two weeks, the period during which Covid pneumonia typically develops. All persons with cough, fatigue and fevers should also have pulse oximeter monitoring even if they have not had virus testing, or even if their swab test was negative, because those tests are only about 70 percent accurate. A vast majority of Americans who have been exposed to the virus don’t know it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It only seems strange for people to be doing normal things like walks topped off by a drink because we live in a country that's been governed appallingly and are miles off where we can be to do that. The Czechs put our banana republic to shame.

They've been showing a disregard for social distancing for a while to be honest. There seems to be no restrictions on travel internally. People can see who they like.

 

[jamieni]

Latest police guidance on exercise. It seems to be a slight relaxation/Clarification.

Police in NI have been asked to use a reasonableness test. If you drive 5 mins to go for a walk that’s no issue. Driving 50 miles on the other hand......

 

[Brennan]

You really are confusing 'healthily' with 'cheaply', not the same thing. Have you used Aldi mince?
The 10 meals malarkey you've posted isn't really cool is it. What about breakfasts, lunches, packed lunches, fruit etc.
You have to take into account pack sizes, how long certain foods will last, storage space, cooking utensils, capabilities etc etc.
I didn't see a recipe for granny sucking eggs, maybe there's a reason?
Buy 2 of Tescos 3k fusili pasta bags cost about £6, 8 cartons passatta about £2.40, 1 tub oregano 80p, £9.20. You'd get 30 individual meals from that. Healthy? No. Nutritious? No. Boring? Yes. That's what you're putting across.

I've got no problems with Aldi meat to be honest. But my word doesn't matter.

Aldi cleaned up at this year’s Grocer Supermeat & Fish Awards, picking up 11 out of 18 category awards and the overall award for best meat and fish retailer.

The 2018 awards - part of The Grocer’s programme of events for the first time - went through a stringent judging process by a panel of experts at East Sussex cookery school Ashdown Manna in July.

Aldi picked up the top award in categories including Best Fish or Seafood Product, Best Bacon Product, Best Sausage and Best Smoked Product, in addition to five Christmas awards and the flagship Meat & Fish Retailer of the Year gong.

Elsewhere, Karro Food Group won the Supermarket Meat Processor of the Year award, while Buitelaar Group won Supermarket Supply Chain Partnership of the Year.

The standard of award entries was “astounding”, said head judge and Institute of Meat chief executive Keith Fisher.

“The quality of product entered has steadily increased over the years, particularly in terms of taste, succulence and tenderness,” he added.

“Years ago, you would have been able to tell which product came from which retailer. But this year that was impossible, as the quality was excellent across the board,” he said, while praising Aldi’s dominance. “Not only is it delivering on price, but Aldi is also delivering great quality.”

Aldi wins top accolades at The Grocer Supermeat & Fish Awards

The discounter won a total of 12 awards and was praised for delivering 'great quality'

www.thegrocer.co.uk

The ten meals link was an example of cheap bulk cooking which isn't unhealthy.

 

[roydo]

In a few seconds, two numbers are displayed: oxygen saturation and pulse rate. Pulse oximeters are extremely reliable in detecting oxygenation problems and elevated heart rates.

Whilst that is true, they only work as an alert if a person knows their expected sat levels. In other words, they could be a placebo, or a frightener.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Cooking is also a skill, not everybody can do it.

The human race would have a rather short sell by date were that the case.

 

[davek]

Interesting article, have quoted a bit that might be helpful

Opinion | The Infection That’s Silently Killing Coronavirus Patients (Published 2020)

This is what I learned during 10 days of treating Covid pneumonia at Bellevue Hospital.

www.nytimes.com

There is a way we could identify more patients who have Covid pneumonia sooner and treat them more effectively — and it would not require waiting for a coronavirus test at a hospital or doctor’s office. It requires detecting silent hypoxia early through a common medical device that can be purchased without a prescription at most pharmacies: a pulse oximeter.

Pulse oximetry is no more complicated than using a thermometer. These small devices turn on with one button and are placed on a fingertip. In a few seconds, two numbers are displayed: oxygen saturation and pulse rate. Pulse oximeters are extremely reliable in detecting oxygenation problems and elevated heart rates.

Pulse oximeters helped save the lives of two emergency physicians I know, alerting them early on to the need for treatment. When they noticed their oxygen levels declining, both went to the hospital and recovered (though one waited longer and required more treatment). Detection of hypoxia, early treatment and close monitoring apparently also worked for Boris Johnson, the British prime minister.

Widespread pulse oximetry screening for Covid pneumonia — whether people check themselves on home devices or go to clinics or doctors’ offices — could provide an early warning system for the kinds of breathing problems associated with Covid pneumonia. People using the devices at home would want to consult with their doctors to reduce the number of people who come to the E.R. unnecessarily because they misinterpret their device. There also may be some patients who have unrecognized chronic lung problems and have borderline or slightly low oxygen saturations unrelated to Covid-19.

All patients who have tested positive for the coronavirus should have pulse oximetry monitoring for two weeks, the period during which Covid pneumonia typically develops. All persons with cough, fatigue and fevers should also have pulse oximeter monitoring even if they have not had virus testing, or even if their swab test was negative, because those tests are only about 70 percent accurate. A vast majority of Americans who have been exposed to the virus don’t know it.

UK Government response:

"Erm...yeah...d'you know what, we've actually ordered 4 million of those pulse oxi thingyos....we reckon we'll have about 2 million available by the middle of May...in fact, we guarantee we will....we've got those pulse oxi thingyos and 100,000 testing kits and 4 billion tons of PPE on a runway in Turkey waiting to arrive. We're absolutely 'kin smashing this"

 

[Brennan]

Not just a school neither. When my lads stayed with at weekends, I always cooked them decent food, (with an occasional treat). As they got older, showed the eldest the basics, and at Uni he taught himself more.

He could feed him and his 3 housemates for weeks on not an awful amount of money. In London.

Precisely.

Lack of knowledge is absolutely an issue but I will never accept you can't cook healthy meals on a budget. It's nonsense.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Whilst that is true, they only work as an alert if a person knows their expected sat levels. In other words, they could be a placebo, or a frightener.

Yeah there was an important proviso in the article “People using the devices at home would want to consult with their doctors to reduce the number of people who come to the E.R. unnecessarily because they misinterpret their device. There also may be some patients who have unrecognized chronic lung problems and have borderline or slightly low oxygen saturations unrelated to Covid-19.”

We take our blood pressure & pulse ox readings regularly at home so we have a baseline to compare with.

 

[Joey66]

It only seems strange for people to be doing normal things like walks topped off by a drink because we live in a country that's been governed appallingly and are miles off where we can be to do that. The Czechs put our banana republic to shame.

If any future Government do not learn from - the biggest error of all time our manufacturing industries are non existent , and buy in from cheap scab labour countries - started of by Thatchesr nation of shop keepers ..... carried on by Blair - destroyed by Cameron , Clagg and OSBORNE ... they will never learn - we have sold off the family silver and are now paying the price bigtime...... over a killer virus that we cannot provide homemade simple PPE!

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Not even 20k tested in a day yet, appalling this, I can't see us getting restrictions lifted in May.

Don't worry mate, the government have still got nine days to get the other 80,000 extra tests per day to get to the 100,000 tests a day that Hancock promised .

 

[davek]

They've been showing a disregard for social distancing for a while to be honest. There seems to be no restrictions on travel internally. People can see who they like.

Overall: early lockdown + face masks + border closure = success. Slovakia even more so.