Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[peteblue]

A concern I have mate is why can’t 20k nursing homes and other community settings give accurate data to the government. We live in an age of information technology and surely you mandate someone to provide that data locally to a central system, jeepers you could send an email. It’s not insignificant data given the scale.

I’ll explain why I’m concerned, if you can’t get concrete data infrastructure like this together logistically, then you don’t have a hope of developing the testing and contract tracing infrastructure nationally (that needed to happen a month ago) to begin to think of lifting restrictions in the interests of public health. One variable here feeds the other, eg if the infection rate is uncontrollable then death rate curve continues, the whole vicious cycle continues. The virus doesn’t exist in a vacuum in a hospital, the vast majority of cases are in the community, thus community transmission is the greatest risk in the country. The UK don’t have their arms around that risk yet, no where near it.

Yes there can be subsets, you can get a trend from any data, but it has to be correct data as it has real world practical implications as to what the next steps are for the UK and when it’s safe to take them, a trend based on a controlled subset like hospitals might not be the best premise.

Yes, you would think they could, but they haven’t. So we are where we are.....

 

[Axlswhk]

Exactly. More incompetence.

incompetence quality control by China.

 

[peteblue]

Which they will refuse to pay.

Seeing how the compliance mechanisms are the use of force and trade sanctions, both of which are likely to cost the enforcing countries more than they can rustle up in payments, I remain interested to hear how these politicians plan to extract payment.

Short of this evolving into an organized boycott of goods made in China by consumers, I'm not seeing that bill having any teeth.

China owns over $1Trillion of US debt. So if the US or other countries take China to court and win, they can just write off that portion of the debt. Now what can China do ?......

 

[Armchair Blue]

"Started in China." It could have started anywhere. Swine flu = Mexico; Avian Flu = Hong Kong; MERS = middle east; Spanish Flu = Europe.

The global spread of Covid19 was due to the trade and tourism Europeans embark upon with China. China is an economic superpower.

It's all about globalism.

Spanish flu=United States

 

[davek]

incompetence quality control by China.

I cant believe you're condoning the actions of this barbarian UK government.

 

[davek]

Spanish flu=United States

I thought it was US servicemen serving in Europe?

 

[Axlswhk]

China owns over $1Trillion of US debt. So if the US or other countries take China to court and win, they can just write off that portion of the debt. Now what can China do ?......

War

 

[Harryflashman]

I paid up front for a washing machine, if it didn’t work that would not be my fault....

point counterpoint pete

if you paid £1m upfront for a house you’d never looked at properly and never done a survey on and then discovered it was built on sand and slipping into the sea then frankly that is on you isn’t it ?

I’m certainly not excusing the Chinese but the British government don’t get a free pass either .

 

[Armchair Blue]

I thought it was US servicemen serving in Europe?

They brought it over with them from the states,first case was in Kansas.

 

[Axlswhk]

I cant believe you're condoning the actions of this barbarian UK government.

I can’t believe you blame the buyer when the seller is trying to con with a bad product. Tell you what davek, if you need to buy a laptop let me know, I have a wreck laptop sitting in my garage I’m sure you don’t mind

 

[paultheblue]

I have only just logged on so I don't know if it's been mentioned before but that Hancock today going on about not a having a magic wand looked like somebody who has just about thrown the towel in.
He realises they have made a complete balls of it, there stock answer to every question is to praise the NHS for what an outstanding job they have done while all the while they have thrown them under a bus with there incompetence.
At times I actually feel sorry for Hancock as he takes all the flack while his great leader sits at home in his mansion at Chequers eating ice cream and watching old war films about when we gave the Germans a seeing too.

 

[Neiler]

China owns over $1Trillion of US debt. So if the US or other countries take China to court and win, they can just write off that portion of the debt. Now what can China do ?......

Whats your thoughts on a trade deal with China after Brexit mate?

*Sorry I couldn’t resist.

 

[BrendanGOT]

Lots saying don't trust China, don't trust Germany, don't trust UK etc etc. Basically don't trust anyone unless the figures fit the sensationalist idea that this is the worst virus man has seen. Every country has different factors as to why they've more or less deaths from having a vast older population or terrible air pollution to being prepared for an outbreak to unprepared. The only outbreak that can be taken as an example of what this will end up like is the Diamond Princess ship, was basically a lab condition breakout that. If you want to see how deadly the virus is etc etc look no further than there every other country is day by day, will drag on for a good while longer before accurate data can be obtained, not using models, and is pointless to assume/ speculate. Diamond Princess has the stats no models required.

 

[peteblue]

Whats your thoughts on a trade deal with China after Brexit mate?

*Sorry I couldn’t resist.

Politically they will be desperate for one, economically they won’t give a toss, but as a pariah state they will be more forthcoming....I would think....

 

[peteblue]

War

But what is it good for.....