I've never studied rocket science but I reckon they made a couple of errors on the challenger shuttle
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My comments were derived from Neil Ferguson, an epidemiologist, and Paul Cosford of Public Health England, as well as the accepted plan of action across most countries in the world in regards to this pandemic.
It wasn't just "what Tubey says". If you want me to put a reference system like everything I post is a universary essay I can do but seriously?
The only element of opinion in what I said is "if they do it properly", because the X factor is whether politics comes into it and they do things just because they feel they have to politically first and foremost.
I've never played football professionally either but I think Steven Gerrard made a mistake when he slipped and let Demba Ba in.
Maybe I'm wrong about that. After all, apparently you have to do a thing to have an opinion on things, right?
Pfft.
Shoulda changed the o ring man #nasabutchers
Yes, you do. How can you even claim equity between your opinion and that of Chris Witty. It's utterly delusional.
We chat wham about football on here for mutual entertainment, not because we know as much as Ancelotti.
Yeah I remember it was something to do with the thermo expansion properties of some o-rings, policy makers getting the way played it's part which would have parallels to cummings seeking out a stocks over lives policy.
Either way you are being a bit too tribal about this, the early UK policy was an outlier to most of the world so there is legitimate scope to question it without simultaneously claiming to be an expert
NilSatisOptimum
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Somebody did or else excersise Cygnus would never have proceeded further than a brain fart of an idea.
Firstly, there are a huge number of possible reasons why countries acted as they did. We're party to practically none of them.
Secondly, it seems likely that this will go for some time, so to use your football analogy, we're judging the game after 25 minutes rather than 90.
I'm happy to accept that they will make mistakes but are nonetheless best placed to gauge responses without uninformed commentary from me at every step.
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great post - and that’s just one paper
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Sorry but that's an abysmal way of viewing things.
It's like saying there's absolutely no point in studying the reign of Henry VIII because you've never been a king and therefore can have no valid view on it.
Or there's no point in having a view on a movie because you've never been an actor/director.
Stupid. Sorry but that's stupid. When we chat football on here, it's not because we think we know as much as Ancelotti - obviously his experience makes him much more qualified to make football decisions than we ever could - but it's because we have a reasoning, functional brain and can therefore assess the merits of a decision he makes. No expert is infallible. Ancelotti makes mistakes. Everyone does.
With Chris Whitty, we have a body of evidence to suggest strongly that he made an error and got it wrong. That's all I'm highlighting - by doing so, I'm obviously not saying I'm more knowledgeable than Chris Whitty overall in his field; I'm simply saying that he got something wrong and providing evidence as to why and how he did.
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There was an article posted from the guardian last night regarding two academics specialising in Risk and Complexity, subjects close to my own heart. They effectively rubbished the modelling done by our scientists regarding the potential strategy for dealing with this pandemic and therefore said it was wrong. Now I tend to always query modelling, as typically you can get out whatever was in the mind of the designers and programmers, especially when involving complexity. However, for once, I was quite relaxed about the strategy from our CSA and CMO when they first started presenting as it felt rational to me and also I have no medical background nor have I ever been an epidemiologist. The two academics quoted in the article also, I believe, have no medical background and neither are epidemiologists. Now I have argued quite vociferously against certain experts in the past, climate change, economists, technical, because I can understand many of the issues involved. But in respect of this pandemic, I haven’t a clue, not even an ill informed opinion, nothing. So I for one am putting my trust with our medical experts opinions and views, and just pray that they are right, because at this moment in time no one else seems to know either......
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Saw an article on the BBC how face masks will become the norm post COVID-19.
Absolutely no chance in Western Society - lads on tour and girls in Concert Square on a saturday night aint wearing kin face masks lol
Absolutely no chance in Western Society - lads on tour and girls in Concert Square on a saturday night aint wearing kin face masks lol
Bruce this feels like the equivalent of ‘show me your medals “ . Like nobody can have an opinion unless they’ve been a success in that field . Of course experts know more than lay people but they also make mistakes and it seems a bit mad that everyone simply has to not question or challenge them because they don’t have a phd or 20 years in the field.
Frankly some of it seems like common sense , so it doesn’t feel like a coincidence when after weeks experts seem to be saying what know nothing plebs we’re speculating on weeks ago . Also perhaps that’s why several imminent virologists seem to be putting forward many of the same points I’ve seen raised in here , I’m assuming they’re entitled to their view on it ?
obviously experts will know more than people like me , as I’ve said before pretty much everybody does but even off the top of my head I definitely heard schools were the safest places for kids two days before we closed them or that Jenny harries say mass gatherings were fine and there are certainly more examples . It seems completely fair to me to question that kind of ‘leadership ‘ whether you are a virologist or a internet nobody .
Whats happening with the UK lockdown lads?
Wasn't it for an initial 3 weeks announced on the 23rd of March. Three weeks are up today. Is it technically over tomorrow, or will the government make an announcement today or later in the week?
Sorry if there was an extension i missed.
Wasn't it for an initial 3 weeks announced on the 23rd of March. Three weeks are up today. Is it technically over tomorrow, or will the government make an announcement today or later in the week?
Sorry if there was an extension i missed.
I can see your reasoning here pete but you must be concerned by the flip flopping. Because as much as anything that’s what’s worried me . Mass gatherings are fine , no they aren’t ; schools are safe , no they aren’t they’re shut for months actually we might open them and herd immunity is the way to go , actually we never mentioned herd immunity .
I’d feel a lot happier if the message or planning was consistent. I’ve no issue with a plan evolving but this certainly doesn’t feel like this .
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