Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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I am not that convinced that in normal times there was some bloke measuring how much a park was used anyrate.

In London there is - the Royal Parks have loads of employees, including their own police (though for administrative purposes it was taken into the Met about 12 years ago).
 
Reading the dagleish story it kinda sums up the media presentation of the virus at times, especially when it comes to famous people.

He wasn't in hospital for the virus. Has no symptoms , and is soon to go home with no complications , fingers crossed.

Yet the headline is Kenny dagleish has the coronavirus.

Forget it's him specifically. But at what point does headlines like that stop being informative and start being done sort of fear campaign now? How many reds will be fearing the worst for him reading that? Scared about their own health if he has caught it?

Not reading enough of the story to see that a positive test is neither here nor there as he has no symptoms and is not feeling any ill effect from the virus?

I've said it for weeks but that's your prime example there. Fear mongering in the media. Headlines designed to scare and shock without any context to them? How many people won't click on that article but simply take the headline as the whole story?

Given how many people saying get better soon etc on the articles. Jesus he isn't even in hospital for that reason! From the amount of comments on the article it's clear noone has read the story. Hundreds and hundreds because if they had, they would know what the real story is. If he hadn't been tested , this would not have made the news .

And that is the problem
Another example of what can only be intended misreporting, this one from the Sunday Times. On the front page it had a large photograph of Johnson's partner and an accompanying headline stating that she now had the virus. Yet you only had to read the opening sentence to read that she only had coronavirus-like symptoms. Get as far as the second sentence and you'd read that she was in fact now back on her feet and feeling much better!
In any future review of how the virus issues were handled and what policy mistakes were made, time must be given to the role of the media, its seeking of scaring headlines, and the scant time given over to examining the statistical issues. For example we are all fully aware of the horrific total number of deaths, but how many on here would have read or heard of there having been only 10 deaths of people below the age of 40? That's 10 out of a population of 33m in that age band, surely an issue that is going to shape decisions on loosening restrictions that will need to be taken soon if we want to prevent a total collapse of the economy.
 
I am not that convinced that in normal times there was some bloke measuring how much a park was used anyrate.
It's all data driven through smart phones and their operating systems to help measures businesses, traffic and all that sorts. Running and cycling apps as well!

There are certainly a significant number of people taking the mick, but simply saying park use has gone down by “only” 15% isn’t useful as a lot of things that are permitted / encouraged are taking place there.
Maybe I would just expect (well hope) it to be lower than that, all things considered.
 
the lack of infrastructure leading into the crisis is absolutely 100% down the government ideology of the last 10 years

I'm finding it hard to believe - and I might be quite wrong - that the N H S has ever been ready for an event of this sort since its birth. Should we blame Nye Bevan for his blind stupidity, or should we assume that no government is going to spend vast amounts of cash on stuff that may never be needed? I don't have aa clue what lessons will eventually be learned ... maybe ensuring that certain manufacturing facilities are always kept within the country? God knows.
 
An entirely different point altogether but I agree. I've said this before so won't cover old ground but someone dying of the virus compared to someone dying with the virus is not seperated.

I have absolutely no idea the details though so I'm in no position to speculate further than that.
Estimates that have been made to date suggest that only around 10% of deaths counted as 'coronavirus deaths' are directly caused by the virus.
 
@PhilM for the first time yesterday I saw a group of 8-9 lads (all late teens - to put it frankly, a load of chavs) riding on their bikes together around a lake near mine. It's been pretty quiet and most people who are still going are walkers or runners who just do a lap or cyclists can use it as a path to cut up onto the Trans Pennine Trail.

It p***** me right off and I shouted as much to them. Not that they pay any attention to anyone anyway.

Kids like that. Honestly, I hate them. A genuine hatred. It comes from when I was young because I always disliked kids who would just do what they wanted and be horrible.

The annoying thing is, that bunch will face no repercussions. The police weren't there. The police's time would be better spent rounding up the likes of them and getting them all in as test subjects, frankly. It's about as much as any of them will ever contribute to society anyway.

I digress, but it does make you angry. Everybody else I've seen has been in either family groups or 1s/2s. Only exception was last weekend when I saw three blokes together cycling - again, what's the point. They were all in their 40s. Why do people feel the need to do stuff together. Just go off on your own in these circumstances and follow the guidelines, it's not hard.
 
Why? That would be too late to improve what the government is doing.
But let's face it, is there a definitive
Don‘t be silly. Every country has a unique set of conditions that will affect the outcome. Poland is right next door to Germany, with half the population but only 180 deaths, why is that ? Are they managing this better than Germany ? The U.K. has 120,000 Chinese students, many of whom will have been back to China then returned to the U.K. at the beginning of all this, Germany has less than one third this number, would that have an impact ? Our airports are amongst the busiest on the planet, would that have an effect. To imagine everyone has similar circumstances is ignorant in the extreme. The U.K. will suffer because it is an open society. Saudi Arabia and Russia are perhaps not suffering as much because they are less open. We are all different and will be affected differently.......
To add to this, Germany and the UK adopt very different criteria when classifying the causes of death. The UK numbers are of deaths of people who were 'with the virus' whereas Germany looks at the main cause of each death when determining how it should be classified. It has been calculated recently that the UK if using the German approach would be recording around 90% fewer death by coronavirus cases.
 
I'm finding it hard to believe - and I might be quite wrong - that the N H S has ever been ready for an event of this sort since its birth. Should we blame Nye Bevan for his blind stupidity, or should we assume that no government is going to spend vast amounts of cash on stuff that may never be needed? I don't have aa clue what lessons will eventually be learned ... maybe ensuring that certain manufacturing facilities are always kept within the country? God knows.
not ignoring the short falls in a extensive pandemic training study 4 years ago would be a start, asking why we are behind pretty much the rest of europe would be another. Or we can go back over haf a century to avoid blaming the tories and pumping up stupid nationalism
 
TBF that data point is rubbish - people are visiting parks to walk or jog, not to do things which are temporarily banned. They are doing this because apart from the streets there isn’t anywhere else to get exercise.

Just a thought.

Maybe the parks in London are busier than elsewhere because there`s a lot more people who live near them live in flats and as such can`t go and sit in their back garden / yard and the population density is much greater too ?
 
I'm finding it hard to believe - and I might be quite wrong - that the N H S has ever been ready for an event of this sort since its birth. Should we blame Nye Bevan for his blind stupidity, or should we assume that no government is going to spend vast amounts of cash on stuff that may never be needed? I don't have aa clue what lessons will eventually be learned ... maybe ensuring that certain manufacturing facilities are always kept within the country? God knows.
 
I'm finding it hard to believe - and I might be quite wrong - that the N H S has ever been ready for an event of this sort since its birth. Should we blame Nye Bevan for his blind stupidity, or should we assume that no government is going to spend vast amounts of cash on stuff that may never be needed? I don't have aa clue what lessons will eventually be learned ... maybe ensuring that certain manufacturing facilities are always kept within the country? God knows.

It was a lot more ready for pandemics - there were more beds, more staff, and more of an emphasis on public health. Huge amounts of work were done to eradicate previous illnesses and improve the general health of the nation. If it wasn’t for the tobacco, alcohol and food industries we’d be a phenomenally healthy nation.

Obviously the science wasn’t as developed and they didn’t have many of the treatment options that exist nowadays, but it had more capacity to do something than it does now.
 
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