Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Bruce Wayne]

Corbyn derangement syndrome is a very real thing.

Corbyn's an irrelevance isn't he?

 

[tsubaki]

Spain are run by a socialist party, Italy by a populist party and France by a centrist party. I'm not sure quite what part political ideology plays in all this, especially as the civil servants that actually do stuff would be exactly the same regardless of who was actually in government.

perhaps the not sure bit is because that wasn't the point @Number_25 was making?

 

[Billy Dean]

Don't know if it's been posted yet but Korea has confirmed that some patients who recovered from the virus are now subsequently testing positive again.

I think they are still investigating it further though. They're not sure if the testing was accurate, or whether the virus they found was actually infectious or just traces.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

perhaps the not sure bit is because that wasn't the point @Number_25 was making?

Forgive me if I've misunderstood, but he seemed to be complaining (as is so often the case) that the media are terribly biased against Labour and there's a horrible right-wing bias in our media, and if we only had a more balanced media who could hold the government to account we'd have a much better outcome for this pandemic.

All I said was that Europe has governments from across the political spectrum, many of whom have responded in largely the same way, with largely the same results, despite ideological differences. So I'm not sure political ideology has any part to play in this at all. It's not like Corbyn had his own crack squad of socialist civil servants up his sleeve to produce completely different recommendations.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

From reports It looks as though they're considering for social distancing to stay in place 'indefinitely', possibly until a vaccine is freely available, with older and vulnerable people asked to stay indoors for some time to come.

It's envisaged schools going back in June as the first step with all shops and presumably businesses to be allowed to open afterwards.

if this is so sports events and social gatherings will be the very last thing to consider and could be behind closed doors for a very long time indeed, you could see it stretching to when the vaccine is produced.

Widespread testing and tracing could limit further outbreaks but with full vaccine take up possibly unlikely even when available this virus and/or it's mutations could become a permanent feature for years to come.

 

[witchdoc187]

If the general public had any taste or decency - that's how it would always look

Last time I went out in Matthew Street was about 20 years ago. We were having a decent night until some girl came up to me and insisted I bought her a drink or she would tell her boyfriend I grabbed her. When I refused she started going crazy at me until a bouncer came and threw me out. Then he tried to corner me with his other mates. Then the police turned up and I was accused of serious sexual assault. The police started pushing me around saying I was in big trouble. Then the girl came out and admitted I didn't do anything and the police pushed me down the street telling me how lucky I was and to go home. Didn't feel particularly lucky.

 

[gonetomorrow]

Seen a few going around Stanley Park who you just know can’t wait for the all clear so they can disappear into their armchairs again.

Back to Costa for flat white and muffin "I lost an inch off my waistline since March"

 

[arminisgod]

Just taze every cyclist and sunbather imo

Cycling and sunbathing are not comparable

 

[Tea_drinker]

Hancock on Today r4 at the moment dithering and delaying giving proper answers. Although he wriggles anyone with any nouse can pull that turkey apart.

It mirrors brexit so much with them just endlessly repeating a silly imperative slogan.

 

[tsubaki]

Forgive me if I've misunderstood, but he seemed to be complaining (as is so often the case) that the media are terribly biased against Labour and there's a horrible right-wing bias in our media, and if we only had a more balanced media who could hold the government to account we'd have a much better outcome for this pandemic.

All I said was that Europe has governments from across the political spectrum, many of whom have responded in largely the same way, with largely the same results, despite ideological differences. So I'm not sure political ideology has any part to play in this at all. It's not like Corbyn had his own crack squad of socialist civil servants up his sleeve to produce completely different recommendations.

I though he was pointing out how unquestioning the media has been of the government, and contrasting it to the reaction Corbyn got when he asked a question that was mildly critical of them. It is a point which is emphatically spot on as well - they aren't really questioning anything at the moment, even things that contradict what they were told the day before (as with Johnson's health) or have been repeatedly told before (the antibody kit that you could order off Amazon, this PPE plan and so on) or even are visible in front of their eyes.

Given that the sole reason they advance for their existence and privileged position is to ask questions, them not doing so at a time like this, when there is abundant evidence to show the failures of their policy has resulted in the deaths of people, is surely something that should alarm everyone.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Cycling and sunbathing are not comparable

They're both indulgent activities. Hancock was just on R4 again urging people to only go out where necessary. Your 40km ride wasn't/isn't in any way necessary.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I though he was pointing out how unquestioning the media has been of the government, and contrasting it to the reaction Corbyn got when he asked a question that was mildly critical of them. It is a point which is emphatically spot on as well - they aren't really questioning anything at the moment, even things that contradict what they were told the day before (as with Johnson's health) or have been repeatedly told before (the antibody kit that you could order off Amazon, this PPE plan and so on) or even are visible in front of their eyes.

Given that the sole reason they advance for their existence and privileged position is to ask questions, them not doing so at a time like this, when there is abundant evidence to show the failures of their policy has resulted in the deaths of people, is surely something that should alarm everyone.

The reaction on social media. Social media is bonkers and largely full of people who make @davek seem rational. I will say, however, that the overwhelming majority of journalists are privately educated English graduates, so I don't expect them to understand science, much less question it from a robust position. What I fail to understand is quite why people hold so much sway by them, especially at a time like this. The universities, with real experts, have been churning out content on CV like they've got nothing else to do (which is largely true) for the past few weeks, and provides infinitely better commentary than you get from even the broadsheet newspapers.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Spoke to the mother-in-law yesterday in Czech, where it's law to wear a mask outside. They had a neighbour round for a cup of tea, and the extended family are having a get together at their weekend cottage. About 50 of them I believe. I think face palming is a universal language of disbelief. It must be the devil's own job to legislate for the sheer stupidity some people display.

 

[Walken]

Spain are run by a socialist party, Italy by a populist party and France by a centrist party. I'm not sure quite what part political ideology plays in all this, especially as the civil servants that actually do stuff would be exactly the same regardless of who was actually in government.

the lack of infrastructure leading into the crisis is absolutely 100% down the government ideology of the last 10 years

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I though he was pointing out how unquestioning the media has been of the government, and contrasting it to the reaction Corbyn got when he asked a question that was mildly critical of them. It is a point which is emphatically spot on as well - they aren't really questioning anything at the moment, even things that contradict what they were told the day before (as with Johnson's health) or have been repeatedly told before (the antibody kit that you could order off Amazon, this PPE plan and so on) or even are visible in front of their eyes.

Given that the sole reason they advance for their existence and privileged position is to ask questions, them not doing so at a time like this, when there is abundant evidence to show the failures of their policy has resulted in the deaths of people, is surely something that should alarm everyone.

Media will get no platformed if they don't tow the line, first the government will pull the briefings, then any press conferences... BBC and such like have various reporters researchers for various sectors, finance, health politics sport, science... The skill and experience of the reporter I suppose ultimately reflect what is newsworthy, and in that allows you to be close to the agenda of the government.

the lack of infrastructure leading into the crisis is absolutely 100% down the government ideology of the last 10 years

nah it's Jeremy Corbyn fault there is Lancet article on it.lol