Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Harryflashman]

Personally, I am bit unsure what to think about the whole situation although the longer it goes on the more I'm leaning towards the belief that he's worse than said.

He could quite easily have been admitted to hospital for X-Rays etc, however I would then have thought it may have been prudent to undertake a PR exercise...

... you know, a little Twitter video from his bed: I am fine, but look at this great work through difficult times. If he's worse than they're saying, that really isn't possible.

You really would be thinking that they'd still be in communication, and if they're not it questions whether how the mechanics of government are working.

Who is in charge? If it's Boris, they definitely should be communicating. If it isn't Boris, does Raab really have the power (this should be clear) or is it someone else?

The last thing we need or want is a rudderless government or even worse letting the odious Cummings cement more power.

almost exactly my thoughts on the matter

 

[Kenshin]

He contracted COVID-19 in hospital after going in because his heart was failing after a longstanding problem. That was according to the Beeb.

So he was tested when he was in the ICU for a completely different reason, tested positive (though he'd shown no symptoms) and will be counted among the figures.

It's all relative like because you know, there's loads who have shown symptoms who haven't been tested so not saying it's some mad conspiracy. It's just the figures are so iffy because of all the varying factors.

That something I have said for a while.

I am sure every death that a patient catches covid-19 during is counted. Not necessarily the cause of death which I think contribute to the greater numbers. So Eddie large last week, chances are he wasn't coming back out of hospital but has since been added to the death count.

I don't mean to sound this in a heartless way but out of the 400 to die in the last 24 hours apparantly, how many were going to die anyway? If not right now then at some point in the future?

Much the same as gravely ill people. Yes the virus may kill them but their body in such a way that anything , including the flu essentially could have the same effect.

It's a difficult thing to really go into because at the end of the day people are dying. Doesn't matter why , someone's loved one is passing and becoming a statistic right now which is hard for anyone to deal with.

When my nan died new year's eve she had to be moved fairly quickly because of the high number of deaths in a short space of time after Christmas and limited space. Probably more people died then in the hospital than has done from covid-19 in a similar time frame. However I am well aware that if my nan had caught the virus then she would be added to the statistics , even if as we know in hindsight , she was never coming out.

I won't go into things I've said before for sake of broken record syndrome. I just don't agree with the presentation of the information to the public in this regard. We aren't being lied to , simply misled. So it is difficult to know how far misled we are or close to the truth. Even if right now that answer doesn't matter to anyone.

 

[RAFUH]

That's fine and obviously the right thing to do.

In the case of Eddie Large, it was reported not as being from COVID-19, but that he tested positive for it after going into hospital and then ICU due to a heart problem.

That was how it was reported a few days ago.

I probably phrased it poorly, but will he then be counted among the COVID-19 deaths? Because it doesn't look like his cause of death was officially put down to it, just that he was positive when he passed.

Tested in the hospital doesn't mean he was infected in the hospital.

All depends oh the triggers for the counters. I doubt a physician would consider COVID in the cause of death if it didn't contribute but a non-clinician who is just looking for ticked boxes certainly might.

We've also not counted many others that were COVID death but died at home or died in hospital but never had a chance to get tested. I'd guess there are more of this group in hard hit areas. Testing becomes irrelevant when trying to keep them alive.

Researchers and epidemiologists at some point will come up with a standard way they will define a COVID related death.
There will always be some ambiguity in patients with underlying health issues. You're basically trying to say "would the patient have lived past they day they died if not for having the virus".

 

[Jebus_lives]

The WHO guy is going to be toast.

Senator McSally....

”The senator said: 'Dr Tedros deceived the world. At one point, he even praised China's 'transparency during its coronavirus response efforts'' despite a mountain of evidence showing the regime concealed the severity of the outbreak. This deception cost lives.'

In February, when China had reported 17,238 infections and 361 deaths, Tedros said there was no need impose travel restrictions.

He said measures that 'unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade' were not needed in trying to halt the spread of the virus.

On March 20, he praised the Chinese regine, saying 'For the first time, #China has reported no domestic #COVID19 cases yesterday. This is an amazing achievement, which gives us all reassurance that the #coronavirus can be beaten.“........

Republican senator with a 12 point deficit in polling deciding to follow the president's lead and blame science and foreigners for her own shortcomings.

 

[roydo]

Tested in the hospital doesn't mean he was infected in the hospital.

Eddie Large was 100% infected in the hospital. Or on his way there.

His health rap sheet is grim as. Well, was.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Some papers on Italy data now coming out, even more stark sex differences for ICU patients (82% men) than seen in China - is it smoking? Weight and diet being reflected in hypertension?


Table 1 shows the demographic and clinical characteristics of the patients. Overall, 82% (1304 of 1591 patients [95% CI, 79.98%-83.82%]) were male, similarly distributed among all age groups. The median age was 63 years (IQR, 56-70) (range, 14-91 years [95% CI, 63-64]) among 1591 patients. A total of 363 patients (23% [95% CI, 21%-25%]) were aged 71 years and older, and 203 (13% [95% CI, 11%-15%]) were younger than 51 years. In this report, median age was used to stratify patients as younger (age ≤63 years) or older (age ≥64 years).

Sixty-eight percent (95% CI, 65%-71%) of patients had at least 1 comorbidity. Hypertension was the most common comorbidity, affecting 509 (49% [95% CI, 46%-52%]) of 1043 patients with available data.

 

[peteblue]

Republican senator with a 12 point deficit in polling deciding to follow the president's lead and blame science and foreigners for her own shortcomings.

Are you seriously defending the WHO guy....

 

[LinekersLegs]

Republican senator with a 12 point deficit in polling deciding to follow the president's lead and blame science and foreigners for her own shortcomings.

The WHO definitely deserves criticism but right now McSally should be focuing more on the situation in her own state that she can influence

'It's like a sick experiment': Arizona lags behind as states order residents to stay home

Despite hundreds of Covid-19 cases, the governor has refused to order shelter-in-place and has barred localities from acting on their own

www.theguardian.com

 

[peteblue]

The WHO definitely deserves criticism but right now McSally should definitely be focuing more on the situation in her own state that she can influence

'It's like a sick experiment': Arizona lags behind as states order residents to stay home

Despite hundreds of Covid-19 cases, the governor has refused to order shelter-in-place and has barred localities from acting on their own

www.theguardian.com

I have absolutely no idea who she is or what she has done or not done and have no wish to know. The WHO Guy however should be strung up by his testicles for his abject failure to do his job properly......

 

[summerisle]

 

[Jebus_lives]

Are you seriously defending the WHO guy....

No I'm questioning her motive and sincerity.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I have absolutely no idea who she is or what she has done or not done and have no wish to know. The WHO Guy however should be strung up by his testicles for his abject failure to do his job properly......

Given it is the state right next to my own Pete I don’t really have that luxury and neither do the residents of Arizona as she is not doing her own job of keeping them safe properly right now.

 

[canuckblue]

We all ultimately die of a heart problem. It is what led up to it that matters for an official cause of death.

And yes, it could quite possibly be attributed to flu....It depends on the full clinical picture that we will never know, but the treating physician will.
Physicians train for years to understand a clinical picture and all contributing factors and I'll trust their judgement on a specific cause of death.

I always thought we all died of shortness of breath...

 

[peteblue]

No I'm questioning her motive and sincerity.

Fair enough. Now do you happen to agree that the WHO guy should be strung up by his privates.....

 

[Jebus_lives]

I have absolutely no idea who she is or what she has done or not done and have no wish to know. The WHO Guy however should be strung up by his testicles for his abject failure to do his job properly......

Shouldn't be left to the WHO...it should really be local emergency planners enforcing these international travel bans. Failure to do their jobs on a monumental scale.