Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[havrey0123]

You maybe can’t budget for it, but you can absolutely plan for a 1 in a 100 year pandemic. Particularly when the last one was around 100 years ago.

We plan and mitigate for rare occurrences all the time, as although statistically rare, they are guaranteed to happen over a long timeframe.

No one did
Just be glad we haven't got Diane abbot handling this.
If we had Corbyn handling this it would of finished him

 

[Sentinel]

That would be the death of a community forum very quickly.

I agree completely but you're just asking questions without giving an opinion. Just like a child. Ask questions for sure but what is your point?

 

[havrey0123]

Put in on a side of bus, wheel round to family and friends who loose people to COVID19, and be a proud Tory...

Or let Diane abbot do the press conference and get the figures wrong

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Excellent post Bruce.

Stay well mate

Out of the two week quarantine this morning so treated myself to a trip to Lidl. Place was very quiet, but it was nice to do something somewhat normal again. More worried about what Monday will bring really. The wife has been doing consultations from home this week but had several colleagues bawling at her when she went into work, refusing to be anywhere near her etc. You'd kinda hope that nurses would be a bit cooler, but it's a high pressure time I suppose and nerves are a bit frayed. Really hope she doesn't end up on ICU on Monday, but the communication about things hasn't been that great. It's all being framed as a voluntary decision, but there's quite a bit of pressure to volunteer nonetheless. She left that line of work due to burnout, so the thought of her going back when things are even more stressful isn't a nice one. We'll see I suppose.

 

[Nymzee]

I agree completely but you're just asking questions without giving an opinion. Just like a child. Ask questions for sure but what is your point?

Probably because you aren't answering them either?

You say we should absolve the goverment to bring in the best people, I ask you who the "best people" are you say you don't know. I ask then how you know we aren't currently consulting the "best people" and you say because they've caused this world health crisis and ignored intelligent advice. I ask what intelligent advice they must have ignored and you can't give me an aswer.

Surely if you know some intelligent advice was ignored, you must know who gave said advice and thus must know whom "the best" people are, right?

I just think it's useful to know the names of "the best" before we proclaim them to be "the best".

 

[COYBL25]

Not sure there's anything much to say about America, as this is exposing both the barminess of Trump even more, but also the craziness of their health system. I've been very critical of the government for many years due to Brexit, but right now, I really can't be bothered. I'm not sure they could do too much to be honest. The financial measures, for instance, are in themselves not too bad, but their implementation will be down to the civil service, and given the struggles with Universal Credit already, it seems almost inevitable that problems will emerge, payments will be delayed, people treated wrongly, and so on.

Some of that will be down to mistakes, some will be down to unprecedented pressure (I haven't heard of any volunteer drive to help with things like that in the way the NHS is pulling in people from every which way). Are they doing it deliberately? No, I don't think so for one minute. Could it be better? Quite probably.

Ditto the NHS, as the operational decisions are largely down to them. It wasn't Hancock that ordered my missus to come back to work when she wasn't quite tip top, just as it wasn't Hancock that will place huge pressure on her and other nurses to return to areas they chose to leave for various reasons and haven't practiced for years and years.

This is a horrible time, and one in which we not only need to be kind to one another, but do our best to maintain our mental wellbeing. It's part of my job, so I've been reading numerous studies this week about the terrible strain overconsumption of news places on our mental health during crises, regardless of whether it's 9/11 or Ebola. Being so consumed by the news, and generally so angry about things we have no control over, can't be good for us, and it's a big reason why I've stayed off GOT a lot recently. It's great when it's a light hearted distraction from life, but when people spend every minute trawling over death stats or how many ventilators we have or tests have been done, it's just incredibly depressing at a time when pressure and stress is already very high. None of what's discussed in here changes how people behave, as the guidelines for regular Joes has stayed the same since late January.

Are we helping?

I hope for all our sakes that none of the regular Joes you refer to are anything like @Joey66 lol

 

[Sentinel]

In your honest opinion how long is a while? If this is still going come August will you still be of the same opinion? There's only so long a country can close without doing long term irreparable damage, as trump said the cure cannot be worse than the disease

The cure can't be worse than the disease. That's true but the measure has to match the danger. That's not happening.

Nobody wants to see this maintaining till August. However this is an extraordinary threat and extraordinary treatment has to be taken.

 

[COYBL25]

No one did
Just be glad we haven't got Diane abbot handling this.
If we had Corbyn handling this it would of finished him

I think that Jeremy and Diane must be breathing a collective sigh of relief that they never won the election tbh

 

[Sentinel]

I just think it's useful to know the names of "the best" before we proclaim them to be "the best".

I really don't understand what you are trying to argue here, are you suggesting that the best we have to offer is in Trumps circle or Boris Johnson's cabinet?

By all means run with that. What I'm suggesting and have repeatedly. Is it's time to get other people in. Their failing and their failures are going to cost lives.

 

[Nymzee]

I really don't understand what you are trying to argue here, are you suggesting that the best we have to offer is in Trumps circle or Boris Johnson's cabinet?

By all means run with that. What I'm suggesting and have repeatedly. Is it's time to get other people in. Their failing and their failures are going to cost lives.

Again, I'm asking if you don't know who the best people are how can you say we're not consulting the best people... I'm asking an extremely simple question.

About the UK btw, couldn't give a toss about Trump.

 

[Prevenger17]

There's only so long a country can close without doing long term irreparable damage

We know. Nobody wants to lose their job or be locked up in their house.

Let's save the grannies while condemning others to die

What? This isn't an either/or proposition. If you let this thing overwhelm the health system, many many people will die from non-covid related illnesses. I have no solution here and, while Tipp Blue's "let's get back to work, death happens" philosophy probably works well in your head, I think we should let the health experts get a handle on this and take the lead.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I hope for all our sakes that none of the regular Joes you refer to are anything like @Joey66 lol

He's the hero we need to lead the Land Army in digging spuds and picking strawberries.

 

[Amw79]

No one did
Just be glad we haven't got Diane abbot handling this.
If we had Corbyn handling this it would of finished him

They absolutely did. Pandemic planning has happened for years in governments across the world. Whether or not it was / is sufficient is a different question.

 

[Minimeister]

That makes sense. Is it really 25%, though? Do you have a source for that?

I'd heard it quoted by a couple of docs themselves, plus a BMA spokesman

One in four doctors off sick or in isolation due to coronavirus

It comes after the Royal College of Nursing said on Sunday that around one in five nurses had taken time off work to self-isolate

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[b-rad]

I really don't understand what you are trying to argue here, are you suggesting that the best we have to offer is in Trumps circle or Boris Johnson's cabinet?

By all means run with that. What I'm suggesting and have repeatedly. Is it's time to get other people in. Their failing and their failures are going to cost lives.

Someone else could be worse - without knowing who these other people might be? Heck, I could give it a go? Chances are I'd do a worse job though, so not really a good idea in the current situation.

The point is - unless there is a group of people, already identified as being a better option, waiting in the wings, it's foolish to take the approach of "let's just lets someone else have a go".

Hence, the question is - who?

Edit - I'm not saying the current incumbents are the best, or doing a smashing job, but without a suggestion of who might do a better job, and why, it's an empty suggestion.