Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[tsubaki]

You've missed the point about double counting deaths mate ( or, to be fair, I didn't explain it well )

At some point, these numbers need reconciling between what comes out of the hospitals and what's on the register of deaths. To be able to reconcile those numbers, you need to know that deceased <a> from one source ( the hospital ) is the same as deceased <b> from the register.

I'm not saying I'm 100% certain that's the situation here, but, from past experience, I think it's plausible, and I certainly think it's more plausible than some weird conspiracy theory.

End of the day, if you're an intelligent, compassionate person ( which, from your posting history, I'd say you are ), you wouldn't be getting your boxers in a twist over the numbers of deaths having some degree of lag associated with them. You'd have to be an paranoid effwit of the highest order to care about such a thing. Sadly, there are people on here, and elsewhere, who fit said description of effwits ( all be it, doubtless well meaning with their effwittery ).

/ rant over ... time for bed

Thanks (I think), but the double counting problem you identify wouldn’t come up - they appear, at least based on what the ONS said, to not be using registered deaths for the daily data, just returns from either individual hospitals or if not that then returns from individual Trusts.

I did post a few days ago an explanation of why there will always be some lag in reporting deaths, especially with community deaths, but this change around consent is (to me at least) inexplainable except as, sadly, some entirely misguided attempt to massage the statistics.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Mad how Sweden is still more or less operating as normal

Sweden and Germany appear to be coping more positively than other country's. They would seem to be more prepared on a number of fronts...

 

[Walken]

The american numbers are horrific, I realise the numbers will be greater as per population but the linear graphs are flying up steeper than any other has previously

 

[Tea_drinker]

Alcohol sales now banned in Thailand and more seriously police shooting at civilians in Kenya. This is the imposition of a police state. The only question is are we prepared to accept that?

 

[Walken]

Lets get rid of the oldies thread...according to current "thinking" we are expendable... Soylent Green anyone ?

Look mate, in 20 years time I don't want to be in a position not to buy that second car just so you can survive, those are the tough decisions we have to make

 

[longers]

Sweden and Germany appear to be coping more positively than other country's. They would seem to be more prepared on a number of fronts...

I think swedens just had a big surge in cases the last couple of days, seen some worrying articles.

 

[tsubaki]

The american numbers are horrific, I realise the numbers will be greater as per population but the linear graphs are flying up steeper than any other has previously

I guess when he said people would get sick of winning, what he meant was people would get sick.

 

[Walken]

George Allagiah the bbc news presenter has had it.
Stage 4 cancer and 60 rounds of Chemo.

and he’s got over it !

Fair play fella. Good luck.

clearly a tough guy, great news that (no pun)

 

[Walken]

Interesting article on the various potential vaccines

Just spoke to an ex who works in malaria research at liverpool tropical med school. The round the clock work going on at these places by some incredibly dedicated and brilliant people is inspirational

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I think swedens just had a big surge in cases the last couple of days, seen some worrying articles.

Deaths worry me more than cases...

 

[Chris O'Connor]

I'm wondering what happens when hay fever season comes in, and it's not that far off?

Anyone sneezing in the open air, and many will be, would be looked at very suspiciously - good thing is they'd have no trouble with other people not keeping social distancing - for two metres read 20 metres

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I'm wondering what happens when hay fever season comes in, and it's not that far off?

Anyone sneezing in the open air, and many will be, would be looked at very suspiciously - good thing is they'd have no trouble with other people not keeping social distancing - for two metres read 20 metres

That's where testing would be useful but don't talk about the testing...

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Alcohol sales now banned in Thailand and more seriously police shooting at civilians in Kenya. This is the imposition of a police state. The only question is are we prepared to accept that?

I dont live in Thailand or Kenya.

Was your question directed at those who do?

 

[Tea_drinker]

I dont live in Thailand or Kenya.

Was your question directed at those who do?

Directed at anyone who cares about human and individual rights.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Directed at anyone who cares about human and individual rights.

Politics stops at the waters edge, in my view.

Thailand and Kenya were not bastions of human rights and liberty before the need to control the spread of a deadly virus and I wouldn't expect them to be any different during it.

I dont feel like I'm living in a police state. We have been asked to take certain measures to protect ourselves and most people are doing so voluntarily.

Every democracy is a balance between liberty and authority. The trade off is that we accept the state will use its authority sensibly and wisely.