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Barnfred 55 said:
I'm not saying a Labour government would have done exactly the same as the Tories have done
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They'd have likely made some of the same mistakes that the Tories did mate. But, I'm sure they'd have started off with a position of trying to save as many lives as possible, which, even the most fervent Tory would admit, wasn't, at the start, the governments main priority.

Any government would have struggled with testing and PPE, but, if you'd started with more focus on saving lives, then you wouldn't have needed as much as either PPE and testing in such a short timescale.

My view is that many lives would also have been lost under a Labour government, but not as many as we've seen lost under this Tory government. I also think that if May had still been PM, we'd have done better than we have under Johnson.
 
Catfish Blues said:
They'd have likely made some of the same mistakes that the Tories did mate. But, I'm sure they'd have started off with a position of trying to save as many lives as possible, which, even the most fervent Tory would admit, wasn't, at the start, the governments main priority.

Any government would have struggled with testing and PPE, but, if you'd started with more focus on saving lives, then you wouldn't have needed as much as either PPE and testing in such a short timescale.

My view is that many lives would also have been lost under a Labour government, but not as many as we've seen lost under this Tory government. I also think that if May had still been PM, we'd have done better than we have under Johnson.
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I think May would have reacted quicker and that Corbyn would still be awaiting a decision from the NEC, but blamed Israel anyway.....
 
Catfish Blues said:
They'd have likely made some of the same mistakes that the Tories did mate. But, I'm sure they'd have started off with a position of trying to save as many lives as possible, which, even the most fervent Tory would admit, wasn't, at the start, the governments main priority.

Any government would have struggled with testing and PPE, but, if you'd started with more focus on saving lives, then you wouldn't have needed as much as either PPE and testing in such a short timescale.

My view is that many lives would also have been lost under a Labour government, but not as many as we've seen lost under this Tory government. I also think that if May had still been PM, we'd have done better than we have under Johnson.
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The loss of lives has also come about as a result of long term visions of healthcare, both Tory and Blairite.

The idea that caring for the elderly and most vulnerable in our society should be farmed out to the private sector where financial profit is the main concern is a noxious ideology promoted and enabled by true psychopaths.

As @davek posted....
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This 'kin scumbag putting the Tory blame game policy forward this morning: basically, dont blame us for the catastrophe of the care homes because they are run by others; just give us 'credit' for making sure the NHS wasn't overun.

But hold on, didn't Johnson already say it was his "profound regret" what happened in the care homes?

Lizards.

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And there is a high ranking member of this Government basking in the glory of the idea that brushing their corpses under the carpet was a noble act which helped reduce pressure on the NHS.
 
Johnson may have the keys to No 10 but he's not governing the country. Flip, flopping from one announcement to another and when its pointed out how ridiculous they are he flips the other way. He's a busted flush who's overseeing a warring Tory party whose MPs are getting it in the neck from their constituents. Johnson is lost without his cheerleaders in the House of Commons crowd he doesn't 'perform' well when there isn't a baying audience. His words are now easy to pick through, like yesterday at PMQs throwing clinicians under the bus for the care home ring fenced care home death trap debacle. Announcement politics only has a chance if its kicked down the road like starter homes but announcement politics/policies are the here and now and they are found wanting.

"No-one was discharged into a care home this year without the express authorisation of a clinician". 'It wasn't me gov but them doctors that did it'. Cowardly blaming others for carrying through government policy.
 
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ClausThomsen said:
The loss of lives has also come about as a result of long term visions of healthcare, both Tory and Blairite.
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Oh, I agree, and it goes back much further than that, especially on social care

The idea that caring for the elderly and most vulnerable in our society should be farmed out to the private sector where financial profit is the main concern is a noxious ideology promoted and enabled by true psychopaths.
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I'm not against, in principle, the private sector running care and nursing homes. I've been in ( visited ) both public and private homes over the years, and there's been good and bad in both public and private. For me, the problem goes far deeper than who's running the homes, and it goes down to how we value our elderly, because, on the whole, we don't. If, as a society, we were more concerned about our elderly and put our money where our mouths are, the poorly run homes would soon go out of business
 
Times like this just convince me you can only look at the decisions made by the people in place. Lib Dem, Labour, Green or Conservative - doesn't matter. There's literally no joy in seeing a government screw up at the best of times, but certainly not here. Its people downstream who suffer. I honestly would love to be able to say, "awesome job". But some right howlers have been made. Some credit goes to the furlough scheme and some attempts to protect the self employed, but the lackadaisical initial response alongside this bizarre attempt to save Cummings are horrific. Doesn't matter who it was, its just awful.
 
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