Current Affairs Coronavirus Politics Thread

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mellowblue said:
Sorry but now is exactly the time to be making political points...I would not go as far as to call the inept excuse for a PM a murderer, but his parties policies have led to us being totally unprepared to cope with this situation. The useless excuses for ministers are trotted out day after day with absolutely no competence to answer even tame questions from the "media". Scoring political points eh? You of all people should know that every decision made by all governments and their big business masters affects us all. So when should we stop complaining then? "Now is not the time" is not an argument.
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I agree. But the comments need to be based in the reality of what can be achieved. No one man, nor one government can do the work that is needed, they just need to not interfere too much and provide whatever finance is required to help the hundreds of thousands who are actually responsible for doing all this work, the CS, NHS, PHE etc etc. What can be done now, not what could have been done yesterday is the issue, because that has gone. The only issues now are what can be done today and tomorrow. Tribal attacks carry absolutely no weight, and referencing the PM as a murderer guarantee only that even sensible concerns or suggestions will be lost in political rhetoric...
 
OnlyBlueWillDo said:
Hancock saying NHS staff using too much PPE the absolute cheek of him, maybe he wants them to take it home and wash it like a PE kit.

I'm just waiting for how the Tories are going to try spin this onto Labour like they did the financial crash.

Disgraceful we are relying on NHS staff to save our lives and they aint got enough kit to protect themselves, they are literary like soldiers going into battle exposing themselves to fatal doses of this virus, would you send troops in without body armour and helmets?
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TBF there is quite a bit of criticism that could be aimed at the 1997-2010 Labour government for some of this, entirely legitimately. Bed numbers did go down and the roll-out of PFI did load a lot of long-term debt on the NHS for no good reason. The Tories still bear far more of the blame, but there will be a few of the Blairites especially who might end up feeling the hand of history on their shoulders come inquiry time (which is perhaps why some of them are so pro-Government at the moment).
 
tsubaki said:
TBF there is quite a bit of criticism that could be aimed at the 1997-2010 Labour government for some of this, entirely legitimately. Bed numbers did go down and the roll-out of PFI did load a lot of long-term debt on the NHS for no good reason. The Tories still bear far more of the blame, but there will be a few of the Blairites especially who might end up feeling the hand of history on their shoulders come inquiry time (which is perhaps why some of them are so pro-Government at the moment).
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If you'd have said 2007+ or even 2005+, you'd have at least a bit of credibility with that comment.

But you didn't and you ignored point blank the ridiculous investment of the first 10 years of New Labour in regards to the NHS.

Labour flooded money into it; incompetence largely wasted it.
 
Tubey said:
If you'd have said 2007+ or even 2005+, you'd have at least a bit of credibility with that comment.

But you didn't and you ignored point blank the ridiculous investment of the first 10 years of New Labour in regards to the NHS.

Labour flooded money into it; incompetence largely wasted it.
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Whose incompetence....
 
tsubaki said:
TBF there is quite a bit of criticism that could be aimed at the 1997-2010 Labour government for some of this, entirely legitimately. Bed numbers did go down and the roll-out of PFI did load a lot of long-term debt on the NHS for no good reason. The Tories still bear far more of the blame, but there will be a few of the Blairites especially who might end up feeling the hand of history on their shoulders come inquiry time (which is perhaps why some of them are so pro-Government at the moment).
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I know how much better the NHS was under Labour than how it stands now, steep decline under the Tories.

Had the Tories not sold off all the state assets we'd have the money to pay for a world class health service, you blaming PFI is farcical, they still built the hospitals, people got the benefit from them even if they were on HP.

You buy a car on HP that helps you to get to work and earn a living, yes you pay through the nose for the car, but it improves your life doesn't it, gets you the job and a decent life.

And Labour had to build those hospitals on the tick to make up for the lack of investment under Thatcher in the 80's and then Major in early 90's.

You sound like a Tory to me...blue specs on.
 
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