Contract Issue

[toffeejack]

The evidence - because it's difficult to prove anything really - is the fact that Baines is not putting pen to paper and neither is Barkley.

where have you been told he's even been offered one?

same as how do you know barkley isn't about to sign?

you're just stabbing in the dark right?

 

[milkshock]

I live in Russia lad, so hard to go a place i already am lol, fact is your a utter knob who constantly gets called on bull****, false stories, negative posts about us as a club and players in general, but whatever makes you happy, you'll probably get another ban shortly anyways for some rubbish or other

I know your in Russia you clown. Hopefully you'll stay there.

Mods: not engaging any more - he was warned and still posted abuse if he retorts please sanction him.

 

[banno]

Ok you tell me why he's not signing a new contract then

Maybe negotiations haven't taken place. Its not a 5 minute job and compromises have to be reached to suit both parties.
Maybe you could be right and they are seeing what offers come in. Either way you cannot state that Baines and Barkley are disillusioned with the club as if it is fact.

 

[On Timmy Cahills Head]

I am only guessing but I would suggest :

1) He was offered a contract but stalled on signing it saying he wanted to wait until the end of the season. Bill was scared to lose him and so allowed himself to be manipulated by Moyes

2) Baines has been offered a new contract but he knows the ball is in his court. If he does not sign soon and shows no sign of signing by the summer a decesion will be made to either sell or hold him until his contract runs out, depending which is the better scenario for us

3) They offered him a contract and he felt he could get more elsewhere due to there being limited time left on his contract. Once he was not playing at Spurs he wanted to come back but as there was longer left on his contract his value was higher

4) He would have been sold a long time ago if anyone would offer decent money for him.

Although the club have to share some blame the fact that some players/manager allowed the contracts to run down is largely dictated by the player. The club can not force them to sign a new contract and the only option the club has if they refuse is to either sell them or let the contract run out. If the club feel it is better having the player for the remainder of the contract and receiving no fee they will take that option.
Baines for example could have been sold last summer for £15m but the club decided it was better to keep him even if that meant losing him for nothing in 2 years or a reduced amount in the summer.

As mentionedit is mostly guess work about each scenario but that is really all we have.

 

[milkshock]

Maybe negotiations haven't taken place. Its not a 5 minute job and compromises have to be reached to suit both parties.
Maybe you could be right and they are seeing what offers come in. Either way you cannot state that Baines and Barkley are disillusioned with the club as if it is fact.

Believe me mate I hope your right but the longer it goes on the worse it gets. Remember pienaar as mentioned before.

 

[bluestevon]

I know your in Russia you clown. Hopefully you'll stay there.

Mods: not engaging any more - he was warned and still posted abuse if he retorts please sanction him.

Posting facts isn't abuse lad, crying for a sanction whilst throwing insults about in the same post is about the right level though that i would expect from yourself

Anyways dpone with ya lad, will just join the gathering crowd with you added on their ignore posts from list

 

[On Timmy Cahills Head]

The evidence - because it's difficult to prove anything really - is the fact that Baines is not putting pen to paper and neither is Barkley.

I would find it hard to believe Baines has not been offered a new contract. If he is to sign one it is likely to be his last big one so he will want it to be as big as possible. It will not been agreed over a quick chat. It could well be that when we turned down the offer in the semmer we knew he would not sign a new one and decided he was more valuable as a player for the next couple of seasons then the value in selling him for a cash price.

Barkley will also be in a good position contract wise and his agent will want the best deal possible, again this wont happen quickly but I would hope/expect Barkley to sign a new contract but not as sure on Baines as he knows he is running out of time to play CL football.

 

[royalblue66]

The evidence - because it's difficult to prove anything really - is the fact that Baines is not putting pen to paper and neither is Barkley.

Proof please.

 

[IRO1977]

That's because our board have made us so attractive as a club that they all want to renew their contracts with us ASAP.

You can add Barkely to that list of those disillusioned with the goings on at the club.

More utter garbage

 

[Southall]

This is probably more of a sweeping statement but one thing i don't see many people asking these days is why are we letting players contracts run down every year? The whole thing seems bizarre considering we are a club that is skint.

1. David Moyes- There are conspiricay theories about why this happened by why didn't the club get their manager to sign a new contract? Hell Spurs tried that with Redknapp and replaced him when they knew he was playing silly beggers with them. For a club like us who used to rely on stability every year, he lost an awful lot of compensation for a manager that for all intents and purposes would have left us for United no matter what he had signed.
Moyes completely manipulated this move to happen this way if you ask me, fergie told him long ago to not sign a contract and take over united.

2. Leighton Baines- Our best player, last 18 months of his contract and no signs of a renewable any time soon. Considering his gae as well it seems like we are repeating past mistakes all over again. Get him to sign now and whatever he sells for will be his value, because come the summer, he will be worth less than he is now, and can we afford to lose money?
Given his age and if you were him, would you sign a new deal knowing it could potentially put off a club willing to sign you? I expect he would like a taste of champions league and you couldnt blame him. Fingers crossed he can get that at Everton.
3. Steven Pienaar- Another bizarre situation, we wouldn't offer him the wage he wanted, sold him for less than his worth and then bought him back for more?! Why didn't we sell him on the summer if that was the case? Why didn't we meet his demands and save all the hassle of selling him in the first place?
Complete shambles from our board imo
4. Johnathan Heitinga- Answer me this, what other club with an out of favour INTERNATIONAL striker would be giving him away due to his contract being up soon? We signed Distin for what 5-6 million at an older age than he is, why are we practically giving him away to someone? Surely wage demands or not someone could have paid a few million in the summer, you know some sort of transfer fee rather than just watch him leave for buttons.
Very similar situation to Baines I feel. Why make your potential exit even harder? the difference being hes not as sort after

Bottom line is the players have a big say, its their careers after all.

 

[bourneblue]

Originally Posted by milkshock
That's because our board have made us so attractive as a club that they all want to renew their contracts with us ASAP.

You can add Barkely to that list of those disillusioned with the goings on at the club.

Yet more agenda driven drivel,nothing you ever post can be deemed positive.

 

[milkshock]

Originally Posted by milkshock
That's because our board have made us so attractive as a club that they all want to renew their contracts with us ASAP.

You can add Barkely to that list of those disillusioned with the goings on at the club.

Yet more agenda driven drivel,nothing you ever post can be deemed positive.

I think the board have a lot to answer for yes, and I'm hardly the only one - the op himself is saying it ultimately.

 

[Eggs]

...since Bosman came in this has been a problem for all clubs. Bottom line is that players have clubs by the short and curlies. I remember Peter Reid banishing a player to the reserves at Sunderland, but I think clubs are more resigned to making use of such players. With regards to Baines and Barkley, I suspect these are on different paths. Nobody truly knows what's going on but all signs appear to point to Baines leaving in the Summer and I expect Barkley will sign a new contract. I don't think it helps to scaremonger when this situation is just part of the modern game.

 

[MartSlinger]

Baines has been offered one, choosing not to sign it at this moment in time, so what can they do? Absolutely nothing.
Barkleys contract talks are going superbly well, id expect an announcement soon.

Milkshock is chatting utter wham, shocker.

 

[Mety]

Believe me mate I hope your right but the longer it goes on the worse it gets. Remember pienaar as mentioned before.

You hope he's right yet you've stated you know he's wrong? Or is that you admitting you have no idea either way?