CONFIRMED: Moyes Leaving - All Reaction Here

[Eric Djemba-Djemba]

Everton have been in the football league since the day and hour it began.

That's is what, one hundred and thirty years or thereabouts?

In that time, two managers have presided over a relegation.

The last one over sixty years ago.

That suggets to me it that keeping Everton in the top league isn't all that hard to do.

Let's nor deify Moyes because we haven't been relegated this century.

If Mike Walker can keep us in the top division, albeit he did his best to take us down that shows that keeping Everton in the top division isn't a massive achievement of Moyes'.

 

[Khalekan]

We'd be chanting "ten more years" they way they did to us last year, Micky.....

 

[Eric Djemba-Djemba]

Ha

When I say scared, I mean of the unknown. That's all really! But, I would be equally as happy to see someone young and hungrier come in and shake the place up.

Can see what you mean mate. The longer we keep Moyes though the more scared of the unknown we'll get and just settle for Moyes and his bottling ways.

 

[toffeejack]

Good post.. god I'm blue

We look on with amazement as Arsenal fans call for Wenger's head.

But from a Gooner's perspective, he is yesterday's man and the wheels have come off.

Missing out on a CL place next season will be like relegation to them.

i fully understand their viewpoint. We are both fans of clubs in similar prediciements (excluding finances). Both are massive english clubs who have gone way too long without a trophy and have a manager who has improved their club for the better but need to say their goodbye's and move on, before they really start to turn on their man at the helm. Something which would be bad to see after what both managers have done for their respective clubs.

 

[Ihaters]

I sometimes think the job that Moyes has done on his 'limited budget' is overplayed.

Take United, City and Chelsea out of the equation in terms of financial comparisons.

That leaves us with Arsenal, Spurs and the RS. Of thos the last two have been busy changing managers like its gone out of fashion these last 10 years. By comparison Arsenal and us have stuck with the same manager. Wenger has a lower net-spend than Moyes but has had much more success.

So, forget the likes of Newcastle, Villa and Sunderland.....

There are two major clubs that have persisted with their managers through thick and think these last 10+ years. Compared to his one lone comparable, Moyes has come up short.

Forget Arsenal as well, Wengers inherited team was far better than Moyes team when he took over, and they paid massive wages for young players we couldn't hope to get.

 

[davek]

Moyes' historic task was to rescue Everton from the amateurism of that divvy Smith and instill discipline and a professional mentality in the organisation. Mission accomplished. To deny Moyes that is churlish. He's steadied us and had us in respectable finishing positions for a long time.

Does that mean he should be our manager now? Not at all. It might be harsh but it looks on evidence to be true that Moyes can take us only so far as a competitive force under the circumstances we have off-field. The question really boils down to this: do you accept the Kenwright years are going to be ones to negotiate and survive, in which case you retain a survivor manager; or do you think that even with Billy Liar in charge we can do something more with the players and budget available.

Tbh, all things considered, I'm not sure what would be the right move for us. Moyes looks tired of this job though, and the supporters are all openly curious about what moving onto the next era of our club looks like, so it'll be sooner rather than later that Moyes is off. Maybe it's better he goes now and preserves his legacy. We all know how this can unravel. FFS, even the legend that is Howard Kendall was targeted in the end.

 

[mill]

Everton have been in the football league since the day and hour it began.

That's is what, one hundred and thirty years or thereabouts?

In that time, two managers have presided over a relegation.

The last one over sixty years ago.

That suggets to me it that keeping Everton in the top league isn't all that hard to do.

Let's nor deify Moyes because we haven't been relegated this century.

By your logic, utd, Chelsea and city are all more likely to go down then us.

 

[mooseatingnome]

Moyes' historic task was to rescue Everton from the amateurism of that divvy Smith and instill discipline and a professional mentality in the organisation. Mission accomplished. To deny Moyes that is churlish. He's steadied us and had us in respectable finishing positions for a long time.

Does that mean he should be our manager now? Not at all. It might be harsh but it looks on evidence to be true that Moyes can take us only so far as a competitive force under the circumstances we have off-field. The question really boils down to this: do you accept the Kenwright years are going to be ones to negotiate and survive, in which case you retain a survivor manager; or do you think that even with Billy Liar in charge we can do something more with the players and budget available.

Tbh, all things considered, I'm not sure what would be the right move for us. Moyes looks tired of this job though, and the supporters are all openly curious about what moving onto the next era of our club looks like, so it'll be sooner rather than later that Moyes is off. Maybe it's better he goes now and preserves his legacy. We all know how this can unravel. FFS, even the legend that is Howard Kendall was targeted in the end.

Great post and hard to disagree with anything there.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Moyes' historic task was to rescue Everton from the amateurism of that divvy Smith and instill discipline and a professional mentality in the organisation. Mission accomplished. To deny Moyes that is churlish. He's steadied us and had us in respectable finishing positions for a long time.

Does that mean he should be our manager now? Not at all. It might be harsh but it looks on evidence to be true that Moyes can take us only so far as a competitive force under the circumstances we have off-field. The question really boils down to this: do you accept the Kenwright years are going to be ones to negotiate and survive, in which case you retain a survivor manager; or do you think that even with Billy Liar in charge we can do something more with the players and budget available.

Tbh, all things considered, I'm not sure what would be the right move for us. Moyes looks tired of this job though, and the supporters are all openly curious about what moving onto the next era of our club looks like, so it'll be sooner rather than later that Moyes is off. Maybe it's better he goes now and preserves his legacy. We all know how this can unravel. FFS, even the legend that is Howard Kendall was targeted in the end.

Spot on here. Everything comes to a natural end, and Moyes reign here feels like it is.

 

[mooseatingnome]

Spot on here. Everything comes to a natural end, and Moyes reign here feels like it is.

Watch him sign a new 4 year deal now...

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Moyes' historic task was to rescue Everton from the amateurism of that divvy Smith and instill discipline and a professional mentality in the organisation. Mission accomplished. To deny Moyes that is churlish. He's steadied us and had us in respectable finishing positions for a long time.

Does that mean he should be our manager now? Not at all. It might be harsh but it looks on evidence to be true that Moyes can take us only so far as a competitive force under the circumstances we have off-field. The question really boils down to this: do you accept the Kenwright years are going to be ones to negotiate and survive, in which case you retain a survivor manager; or do you think that even with Billy Liar in charge we can do something more with the players and budget available.

Tbh, all things considered, I'm not sure what would be the right move for us. Moyes looks tired of this job though, and the supporters are all openly curious about what moving onto the next era of our club looks like, so it'll be sooner rather than later that Moyes is off. Maybe it's better he goes now and preserves his legacy. We all know how this can unravel. FFS, even the legend that is Howard Kendall was targeted in the end.

Good post Dave.

Personally, I think that what Moyes has achieved under the Kenwright regime is as good as we could have hoped for. I'm genuinely concerned that a new manager could easily take us down to a level that seems unthinkable in March 2013. However, he's not bigger than the club & I've tired of his 'performance' over this contract. If we'd have lifted the Cup or even got to the Final, I'd have maybe glossed over it & forgiven him for his actions, but now I'm not so sure, as it feels like he's' going through the motions' of late & on Saturday his team were a mirror image of his apathy.

 

[Timak]

I sometimes think the job that Moyes has done on his 'limited budget' is overplayed.

Take United, City and Chelsea out of the equation in terms of financial comparisons.

That leaves us with Arsenal, Spurs and the RS. Of thos the last two have been busy changing managers like its gone out of fashion these last 10 years. By comparison Arsenal and us have stuck with the same manager. Wenger has a lower net-spend than Moyes but has had much more success.

So, forget the likes of Newcastle, Villa and Sunderland.....

There are two major clubs that have persisted with their managers through thick and think these last 10+ years. Compared to his one lone comparable, Moyes has come up short.

Not sure I follow....so if we ignore all other clubs that have spent more than us and only compare us to Arsenal then Moyes isn't as good as Wenger.

Arsenal have spent about £500-750m more than Everton on wages in the last 10 years and have won as many trophies as Everton in the last 8 years.

If we matched Arsenals wage spending we could have another 16 players on £100k each in the squad. You could pretty much put together a world dream team on that kind of money and we are 2 points off them.

 

[Brownie]

In David Moyes's 417 league games in charge of Everton, 169 have been wins. Of those wins, 19 have been by a margin greater than two clear goals. That's 11 percent of the wins, or 5 percent of the total games, win, lose or draw.

In the same period, in the league, Everton have scored 4 or more goals on 12 occasions.

Just for something to compare with, so far this season Liverpool have won by a margin greater than two clear goals on eight occasions. In the past three seasons including this one, having recorded four more wins than Everton, they've won by that margin on 19 occasions, the same number as Everton have achieved since March 2002.

OPTA WASUP.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Watch him sign a new 4 year deal now...

He will do if he doesn't get a better offer. Which is what I'm most worried about.

 

[Khalekan]

I think this is the fans' biggest fear.

We are going to be stuck with an underperforming, demotivated manager whom is only here because he can't do any better and we won't afford to sack him if things deteriorate still further given the money he is on.

How sad that our once proud club has been reduced to this.