CONFIRMED: Moyes Leaving - All Reaction Here

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This thread's gone all wonky again.

 

[Brennan]

Oh come on.

What ?

 

[Allezfan]

What ?

There is only one manager in the world who could take over a team 7th in the third flight and get them into the second.

That's almost as bad as Moyes being the only manager who'd keep everton in the prem.

 

[Brennan]

There is only one manager in the world who could take over a team 7th in the third flight and get them into the second.

That's almost as bad as Moyes being the only manager who'd keep everton in the prem.

Nobody said that.

Dunno why you can't just accept Martinez has had a major influence on Swansea's continued success.

 

[Allezfan]

Nobody said that.

Yeah you said 'probably' that.

 

[Brennan]

Yeah you said 'probably' that.

No, i said they would probably still be in League One, that is nowhere close to 'There is not a manager in world football who could get them promoted'.

You really are being ridiculous.

 

[Allezfan]

Dunno why you can't just accept Martinez has had a major influence on Swansea's continued success.

Because I think counting back four managers is reaching, in all honestly.

 

[Brennan]

Because I think counting back four managers is reaching, in all honestly.

Not when they only play the style of football that they do because Martinez introduced it.

I doubt their chairman would have enforced that kind of football on a league one outfit himself, or most other managers.

 

[Allezfan]

Not when they only play the style of football that they do because Martinez introduced it.

I doubt their chairman would have enforced that kind of football on a league one outfit himself, or most other managers.

You can't know that and you can't know that they wouldn't have had equal success with other styles.

But you're doing that thing people always do, which is creating a hypothetical worse scenario and justifying the current one by comparing it with it.

The "well yes I slept with your brother but hey I didn't kill your father and maybe another boyfriend would have done' thing. Or 'without Moyes we'd be in league one'.

 

[Brennan]

You can't know that and you can't know that they wouldn't have had equal success with other styles.

But you're doing that thing people always do, which is creating a hypothetical worse scenario and justifying the current one by comparing it with it.

The "well yes I slept with your brother but hey I didn't kill your father and maybe another boyfriend would have done' thing. Or 'without Moyes we'd be in league one'.

They hadn't had success with other styles of football for 24 years, then Martinez came along and they won the friggin league.

I don't understand your first sentence, it's not about whether they would have had success with other styles or not, im dealing with facts.

Fact: They play the way they do because of Martinez
Fact: He got them back in the Championship for the first time in 24 years
Fact: No other manager in 24 years could manage that

I think we probably would have discovered gravity without Isaac Newton, but the fact is that he discovered it, just like it's a fact that Swansea play passing football because Martinez introduced it. Maybe they would have discovered passing football without him, but that doesn't matter.

 

[Moomin]

They hadn't had success with other styles of football for 24 years, then Martinez came along and they won the friggin league.

I don't understand your first sentence, it's not about whether they would have had success with other styles or not, im dealing with facts.

Fact: They play the way they do because of Martinez
Fact: He got them back in the Championship for the first time in 24 years
Fact: No other manager in 24 years could manage that

I think we probably would have discovered gravity without Isaac Newton, but the fact is that he discovered it, just like it's a fact that Swansea play passing football because Martinez introduced it. Maybe they would have discovered passing football without him, but that doesn't matter.

I read this in a Spanish accent, too many facts for my liking.

If we look back four manager into Everton's past we end up with Mike Walker, spooky.

 

[kenada_blue]

Because it essentially collates winning and passing as the same, which is what we mock Rogers for.

Martinez got them passing, later managers got them winning. Why is the former viewed as the greater achievment? There's a long long list of passing teams who struggled at the prem level (mowbrays west brom and coyles burnley as two examples). Passing isn't an automatic win code, even though I think it's the most efficient style. The accomplishment is putting a team out and getting them to win a game, whatever the style. Swansea hire the wrong managers, they don;t get out of the championship and martinez' great foudnations don't get talked up. His reputation is reliant on other men doing good work which he has no involvement in.

There's plenty of swansea fans who think martinez would never have gotten them promoted, btw, a quick look on their forums tells me that.

That why when he left, they kicked off calling him Judas etc?

They didn't want him to leave.

 

[Gwladys Nights]

I read this in a Spanish accent, too many facts for my liking.

If we look back four manager into Everton's past we end up with Mike Walker, spooky.

Remember when Mike started getting self conscious about his hairline? He looked gutted 24/7.

 

[dixie7]

funny how many people actually think martinez would come, he turned down villa and liverpool ffs, he isnt the right man anyway.

 

[tim cahill]

funny how many people actually think martinez would come, he turned down villa and liverpool ffs, he isnt the right man anyway.

I think he'd come but i wouldn't particularly want him.