CONFIRMED: Moyes Leaving - All Reaction Here

[noharmdone]

A Joe Royle / Duncan Ferguson Combo.. Im In !

 

[nigelcoyb]

bit of both. they signed for some long term commercial and sponsorship deals when they wanted to build a stadium. those deals were great back then, but are very average in todays world. so they do withhold some money until 2014 when some new deals are coming in. In that mean time they have been heavily dependent on CL money and breaking even in the transfer market at worst. The reason they have been saving alot of money is they were worried about missing on CL and suffer for few years and fall way behind. Now they have enough to manage without CL for a season. So they had some money, but decided to hold back until their finance got better. Also arsenal made alot of money selling flats build on highbury. Its that money and the CL money that has kept the club going. Take that out and they pretty much break even. Thats breaking even without buying for more than you sell. So the finance looks great on the outside, but when you look deeper, its hasnt been great.

Also the push from 3-4 to first is the most expensive. If they want to sign world class players to be the best, they have competition from bigger and richer clubs. its really hard place to be in

Interesting stuff a lot of evertonians have a new stadium as the "holy grail" a cure all for everything, never bought it myself every example seems to make no difference or make things worse.

From the outside Arsenal seem the de facto standard of how to do it - win stuff, earn more, increase the season ticket requirement yet still the old glory days of Highbury are nowhere near. Illustrates to me it always comes down to management skill - if you lose it or never had it you're done.

 

[Allezfan]

haha thats what i tell arsenal fans when they talk about how much they have suffered the last 8 years. But fans have no perpective and Arsenal fans cant believe things can get any worse than they are now

Honestly mate anyone who got to watch the likes of Henry, Bergkamp, Vieira, Pires, Van Persie, Fabregas etc do their stuff 20 odd games a season is blessed beyond belief, imo.

We were all watching Carl Tiler and Tobias Linderoth at the time.

Mind it goes both ways, clubs like Coventry would kill to be Everton, clubs like Luton would kill to be Coventry, etc, etc.

 

[Arsene]

Honestly mate anyone who got to watch the likes of Henry, Bergkamp, Vieira, Pires, Van Persie, Fabregas etc do their stuff 20 odd games a season is blessed beyond belief, imo.

We were all watching Carl Tiler and Tobias Linderoth at the time.

Mind it goes both ways, clubs like Coventry would kill to be Everton, clubs like Luton would kill to be Coventry, etc, etc.

Exactly....its was a special period for us tbh. Clubs goes through periods like that. the problem is alot of fans want that to be norm and lose all perspective. Charlton is another example. i remember how their fans used to call in radio station moaning about Curbishley and how he cant take them to next level. And look now.

 

[Timak]

How do you explain Cardiff having played in more cup finals than us in Moyes time despite them never being a top flight club and operating on a budget tiny compared to ours?

In the league you play every team home and away over 38 games. At the end of that you can judge how good a team is.

In the cup you get your name drawn out of a hat.

Cardiff have done well but look at the draws they've had.

Only played 2 teams from the Premier League (both of whom got relegated that year) on their route to two finals.

Cardiff FA cup 2008
Chasetown
Hereford
Wolves
Middlesbrough
Barnsley
Then Portsmouth

Cardiff League cup 2012
Oxford
Huddersfield
Leicester
Burnley
Blackburn
Palace
Then Liverpool

 

[Brennan]

In the league you play every team home and away over 38 games. At the end of that you can judge how good a team is.

In the cup you get your name drawn out of a hat.

Cardiff have done well but look at the draws they've had.

Only played 2 teams from the Premier League (both of whom got relegated that year) on their route to two finals.

Cardiff FA cup 2008
Chasetown
Hereford
Wolves
Middlesbrough
Barnsley
Then Portsmouth

Cardiff League cup 2012
Oxford
Huddersfield
Leicester
Burnley
Blackburn
Palace
Then Liverpool

Can you stop making factual posts please mate.

 

[Arsene]

Interesting stuff a lot of evertonians have a new stadium as the "holy grail" a cure all for everything, never bought it myself every example seems to make no difference or make things worse.

From the outside Arsenal seem the de facto standard of how to do it - win stuff, earn more, increase the season ticket requirement yet still the old glory days of Highbury are nowhere near. Illustrates to me it always comes down to management skill - if you lose it or never had it you're done.

New stadium is a must for Everton. As long as fans understand it will make things worse early on and put alot of pressure on the club financially early on and it would take years before you can profit from it.

 

[Allezfan]

In the league you play every team home and away over 38 games. At the end of that you can judge how good a team is.

In the cup you get your name drawn out of a hat.

Cardiff have done well but look at the draws they've had.

Only played 2 teams from the Premier League (both of whom got relegated that year) on their route to two finals.

Cardiff FA cup 2008
Chasetown
Hereford
Wolves
Middlesbrough
Barnsley
Then Portsmouth

Cardiff League cup 2012
Oxford
Huddersfield
Leicester
Burnley
Blackburn
Palace
Then Liverpool

Yeah but you still have to beat themn. We lose to lower league teams in the cups as much as we lose to prem teams.

 

[noharmdone]

New stadium is a must for Everton. As long as fans understand it will make things worse early on and put alot of pressure on the club financially early on and it would take years before you can profit from it.

We could have had the bossest of the boss stadiums for virtually nowt mate.. In the bossest location in der werld..
" Ring-fenced ! "

 

[sheeds]

Yeah but you still have to beat themn. We lose to lower league teams in the cups as much as we lose to prem teams.

Correct We've been Knocked out by Shrewsbury amongst others who knows what other lower division teams we could have faced on route to a final .

What I find hard is if you aren't prepared to genuflect at the alter of moyes you somehow think Walter smith or Gary Megson is the answer . It is possible to feel moyes has done a decent Job but not that he's up there with ferguson .as I think you said moyes is time rich the support of the owner clearly has a positive effect on his stats as plenty of other managers have been sacked in similar runs. Moyes is a very good manager I'm just not convinced he's the messiah surely that's a valid position ?

I'll say it again I think moyes has done well but where do people think the team (I accept he's assembled it and deserves large credit for that ) should be ? I think it should finish about where it does so I'm not sure how that's overachieving and his net/gross spend has to be tempered by the sale of players who were already here when he took over . Our wages put us about where we finish don't they ?

 

[Brennan]

Yeah but you still have to beat themn. We lose to lower league teams in the cups as much as we lose to prem teams.

We don't though. In the last five years:

Liverpool, Chelsea, Reading, Brentford, Chelsea, Leeds, Spurs, Blackburn, Birmingham

 

[Allezfan]

We don't though. In the last four years:

Liverpool, Chelsea, Reading, Brentford, Chelsea, Leeds, Spurs

4-3 is pretty close to even, like. And that's with you cherrypicking the games.

 

[Brennan]

4-3 is pretty close to even, like. And that's with you cherrypicking the games.

Just added another year to make it five, which makes it 6-3...

I didn't cherry pick i just couldn't be arsed going back ten years.

 

[Goat]

SMACK HIM BRUNNERS LAD

 

[Carlito]

New stadium is a must for Everton. As long as fans understand it will make things worse early on and put alot of pressure on the club financially early on and it would take years before you can profit from it.

A new stadium isn't even worth thinking about at the moment. As you've rightly said, building/re-developing is vital to Everton's future, and so it's imperative that Bill Kenwright and his mates have absolutely nothing to do with it. We'd just end up in a similar situation to Valencia.

To an outsider it may seem that Evertonians are irrationally fearful of change when it comes to getting a new manager/stadium, but you have to understand that pretty much every Kenwright-led initiative ends up looking like a real-life interpretation of Homer Simpson's attempt at re-building the Flanders' house.

At this point I'm fully prepared to stick it out with Moyes and Goodison until Kenwright pops his ruby slippers.