Club Report Overall Operating Loss of Nearly £7M

[DENNIS STEVENS]

So, still no alternative then. The alternative is to watch us not have money and slip down the league? You happy with that?

And trust us, if were bitter its because our football club can't sustain it's recent progress and we're annoyed that self righteous, belter fans shout loudly and people listen. And alluding with KEIOC really doesn't do your credibility any benefit.

You fail to see the bigger picture and focus on petty politics but that's cool if that's your thing.

My original post stands, step up and tell us what now lids.

Even though the problem most likely to jeopardise the proposal was always the scale of the retail development, as has been borne out by the recent decision, it is rather comical to see those such as yourself Chico, who thought DK would be a panacea for all Everton's ills desperately lashing out at those who merely pointed out the flaws in the proposal - how it was likely to fail & what a disaster it would probably be for the club if it proceeded.

If these foolish Luddites (eg KEIOC) were wrong & intent on preventing the club from progressing - surely they're the last people those such as yourself who were/are pro DK should be asking for alternatives. Indeed, there will, no doubt, be some great suggestions forthcoming from those visionary Evertonians, like you Chico, who could see the real potential of the opportunity DK presented.

Of course, a modified DK could yet rise from the ashes, if we are to believe Mandelson. Although the retail element will need to be scaled back, it would appear the stadium element could yet feature in revised plans, if the Board are interested. No doubt the club would have to revisit their business model for the project & restructure the financing of the deal - but if the scheme is as great an opportunity for the club to progress, & certainly much better than the terminal decline that you suggest is the alternative, it's hard to imagine that the current Board or a new/restructured Board wouldn't want to come back to it, especially given the lack of decent alternatives, apparently.

It seems to me that having followed the Board's line on the whole DK proposal, you can only see doom & gloom now that it seems to be over. That's fair enough, but it's just your opinion & many of us disagree with it, calling us "melts", etc. certainly doesn't enhance your credibility. Your perception is not fact it's just opinion - just the same as I feared DK proceeding could lead to the kind of demise of the club you are now predicting - that's just my opinion, not fact. I think I'm right in that assessment & that it's those who were pro-DK who failed to see the "bigger picture" - but I don't claim it as a fact or feel the need to insult those who have a different opinion.

As for your reference to "petty politics" - what on earth are you talking about? My only interest in this issue is what's in the best interests of Everton - the information from the club makes it clear that, at best, DK would have been a hugely expensive gamble in the hope of a quite modest return, if successful - & the risk that we could quite easily be worse off than we are now at Goodison Park (but no obstructed views). That didn't make any sense to me, but if it had proceeded I would still be hoping it would prove to be as great a success as possible. I get the impression from some of your comments that you're almost willing the club to fail, to decline so as to provide you with some sense of vindication for your support of this proposal. To me that seems so completely out of character, based on what I've read of your posts since I registered on this forum that I can only assume it's a temporary effect resulting from the DK decision & perhaps exacerbated by our current poor form, etc.

 

[chicoazul]

I haven't got too involved in the Kirkby thing prior, occasionally I'll point something out when the main protagonists take it overboard but for me its about the club progressing and getting back to being at the top. That's all well and good but its a business first and a sport second now and like it or not that move would have benefited us no end.

You've repeatedly failed to grasp my stance on it instead focusing on petty assertions on mine and others reactions to it.

I'd prefer to stay at Goodison or move to Stanley Park or Walton Hall Park as proximity is important, I like the feeling of that area. Problem is that there's nothing viable or affordable for any of those scenarios.

Which leaves us back to square one. And it won't get better.

A sizeable amount of blues screamed against the move which is great if the alternative is better.

The club tried to improve our financial standing, some fans rebelled against it, they got what they wanted.

So, not wanting to drag it out but merely refer to my point which still hasn't been addressed: you got your wish so what now?

You can answer that quickly and easily if you like.

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[davek]

I've said all along that the fate of Destination Kirkby would be THE defining moment for the club. Failure to achieve it would mean only one thing: new owners with a new stadium plan...in that order. Nothing but bad news can, or will, emanate from the club off-field with this lot in control. It'll be about clearing the decks in preparation for a sale, and that will have its knock on effect for team affairs. It'll be grim in the short term. The good news is that we have a manager who may not be a master tactician capable of troubling the top teams regularly, but he is ideal for a team that needs to apply itself, get out of trouble and keep well out of harms way whilst all the off-field stuff unfolds. We're going to need his loyalty in the next period.

 

[Philw]

I've said all along that the fate of Destination Kirkby would be THE defining moment for the club. Failure to achieve it would mean only one thing: new owners with a new stadium plan...in that order. Nothing but bad news can, or will, emanate from the club off-field with this lot in control. It'll be about clearing the decks in preparation for a sale, and that will have its knock on effect for team affairs. It'll be grim in the short term. The good news is that we have a manager who may not be a master tactician capable of troubling the top teams regularly, but he is ideal for a team that needs to apply itself, get out of trouble and keep well out of harms way whilst all the off-field stuff unfolds. We're going to need his loyalty in the next period.

You seem very confident that Bill et al will now (finally?) go, and this will be the spark to ignite the clubs off field activities again?

 

[chicoazul]

I've said all along that the fate of Destination Kirkby would be THE defining moment for the club. Failure to achieve it would mean only one thing: new owners with a new stadium plan...in that order. Nothing but bad news can, or will, emanate from the club off-field with this lot in control. It'll be about clearing the decks in preparation for a sale, and that will have its knock on effect for team affairs. It'll be grim in the short term. The good news is that we have a manager who may not be a master tactician capable of troubling the top teams regularly, but he is ideal for a team that needs to apply itself, get out of trouble and keep well out of harms way whilst all the off-field stuff unfolds. We're going to need his loyalty in the next period.

Exhibit A.

What if we attract bad investment or no investment?

Great point in the manager, we need him. That's the same manager who has repeatedly stated how much he enjoys working with the chairman.

So, there's no plan b then - just a hopeful assumed scenario?



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[davek]

You seem very confident that Bill et al will now (finally?) go, and this will be the spark to ignite the clubs off field activities again?

I'm confident in the sense that nothing stays the same for very long. I think Elstone had it dead right that the only two models on offer to Everton was a billionaire or a facility led approach. That's still the same post Kirkby knockback. Both of them require Bill and Co to sling their hook. A stadium resolution requires a club board that has credibility with the local state, who will be crucial finding land/extending GP's footprint and doing all it can to bring others to the table. This lot have burnt their bridges. That's what happens when you paint yourself into a corner.

With no hope of moving forward off-field and, as seems likely, we tread water or worse onfield (with more sales of players) the pressure on Kenwright will be immense. And that's besides the agenda of other people on the board who might cut and run before then.

 

[davek]

Exhibit A.

What if we attract bad investment or no investment?

Great point in the manager, we need him. That's the same manager who has repeatedly stated how much he enjoys working with the chairman.

So, there's no plan b then - just a hopeful assumed scenario?



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The first part of a plan B, as I see it, is to get rid of the people who have no plan B. They are a dead weight now. It'll be interesting to see and read the alternative stadium plans that come forward in the coming weeks. But for me they'll simply be a matter of "here's what you can have if you had owners with a modicum of vision and the will to invest". Which reminds me: Earl has stated he wont put a penny investment into the club whilst Kirkby was still to be passed. Well that parasite's about as useful as a chocolate fireguard now then. No need for him to hang around with his hand out any longer.

Assumed scenarios by their definition are not very satisfying, I admit. As for cast iron alternatives ready to go in the hands of people with the power to enact them I refer you to:

Mr Robert Elstone,
Goodison Park,
Goodison Road,
L4.

He's got all the answers.

 

[chicoazul]

What's do you think he has for lunchtime snack Mr K?

I reckon he well eats at his desk and leaves the door open so it looks like he's incredibly busy and committed.

Or fudging the flexi-time.

 

[Goat]

Go Davey.

Step back chico, you cant handle the K.

 

[Goat]

Exclusive Kenwrong Interview

 

[best little spaniard]

Exhibit A.

What if we attract bad investment or no investment?

Great point in the manager, we need him. That's the same manager who has repeatedly stated how much he enjoys working with the chairman.

So, there's no plan b then - just a hopeful assumed scenario?



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Wasn't this your view of DK?

I can only feel that going to Kirkby was a very short sighted idea. It might have helped attract investment short term. But what about in 20/30 years time. What will the state of football be like? We need to be facility led, which DK WAS NOT!!! £6m a year, in todays inflated prices??? That's nothing is it.

If i'm lucky, I have perhaps 50 years of watching the blues left in me. The decisions made now will still affect then.

 

[best little spaniard]

NO!!!

I PROMISED TO LEAVE IT.

Sorry.

 

[Goat]

Well thats the crux of it all really.

Chico keeps saying what now and holding up Kirkby as this shining light in a sea of darkness. It wasnt a good deal, it wasnt a money maker. It was a poorly thought out plan of desperate men, men desperate to ring every last penny from Everton Football Club.

So what now? We carry on as normal, nothing different, we have More cashflow available and now Bill can go on Sky and tell them we are For Sale. Instead of his tried and tested 24/7 investment.

And stop assuming that with Kirkby we would have been more attractive for investment. How does a Club with a fanbase disjointed with a number of fans claiming they wont go to a new stadium look attractive?

 

[chicoazul]

If you read back I've clearly pulled all your pants down.

You're in a mess now because you can't point out that needs to be done now. The whole premise of your Kirkby argument falls apart as we're left in the lurch without a plan B.

Not one of you has answered that adequately or even remotely. Instead you all were allowed to be carried along on the wave of KEIOC.

Makes me sad as I thought blues had a good head on their shoulders.

As Ive stated, Id much rather stay at Goodison but I'd much rather - same as little spaniard - see Everton win stuff in my lifetime again. Kirkby is not the Nou Camp were all crying out for but we couldnt afford it and we wouldnt fill it so that extra 6 million a year from Kirkboid - and being more attractive to the investors you crave - would have benefited us better than staying at Goodison as I neither see the investors or new stadium projects lined up.

There was a massive whole in your argument and it's been exposed.

Like I sad, don't dare whinge when we have absolutely f all to spend in the coming transfer windows. One things for sure, we can't continue to operate at a loss.

So, what now? Speak with your spiritual leaders of "its not a boundary issue but looked what we've called ourselves" KEIOC.

 

[chicoazul]

Go Davey.

Step back chico, you cant handle the K.

And he addressed my points exactly how?

See, it's a farce like we've been telling you but you've been too outraged and blinded to listen.