Current Affairs Climate Change Demonstrations.....

[ilikecheese]

 

[Del-boy]

I see Prince Harry has piped up telling us we need to do more about climate change. That’s nice from a guy who spends his life flying around the world to exotic locations.

 

[graham74]

Because you seem overly keen to try to prove me wrong plus you referred to meat eaters as "them" in your first post. I thought you may have been looking at this from the position of somebody who doesn't eat meat.

When I did a search on "does eating dairy products contribute to climate change" I actually got more references to red meat than I did to dairy. Including 2 articles with the headline "should red meat production be banned". That kind of proves the point I was making.

There's a documentary on Netflix called cowspiracy (it has a website with all the facts and figures as well) it's a good watch

 

[dead_soft]

Because you seem overly keen to try to prove me wrong plus you referred to meat eaters as "them" in your first post. I thought you may have been looking at this from the position of somebody who doesn't eat meat.

When I did a search on "does eating dairy products contribute to climate change" I actually got more references to red meat than I did to dairy. Including 2 articles with the headline "should red meat production be banned". That kind of proves the point I was making.

I’m not overly keen, I just find what you are saying to be misguided. It’s a strange straw man to be battling.
If meat eating is worse, it is right for it to be talked about more

 

[WA Toffee]

OK. Lets single out beef. As I said, only 20% of cattle in the UK is reared for meat production. The other 80% are dairy cattle. 90% of UK produced leather comes from cattle, both beef and dairy. So we have a situation where 100% of cattle produce leather, 80% produce dairy products and just 20% produce beef. But it seems as though every week there is a new report on how red meat production is hurting the planet. And I can honestly say that I personally, have never seen any articles saying that we need to drastically reduce dairy consumption to save the planet, or to stop buying leather shoes, bags and furniture. I'm not saying that they don't exist and if you google the subject you'll no doubt find the odd article from some obscure green or animal welfare group. But they don't make headline news or get discussed on daily talk shows.

As regards your comments re use of plastic and refrigeration for beef, surely the same applies to dairy products. And surely the chemicals used in the tanning process are just as harmful to the environment. I could single out sheep, as opposed to cattle, and make pretty much the same argument.

I thought your complaint was that other people were singling out beef
I could be wrong, but I think you might be one of those people who likes certain things (eg beef) and doesn’t want people taking those things away, so makes up or grossly exaggerates situations so as to try and garner support for their point of view. A bit like those gun nuts in the US

 

[Barnfred 55]

I thought your complaint was that other people were singling out beef
I could be wrong, but I think you might be one of those people who likes certain things (eg beef) and doesn’t want people taking those things away, so makes up or grossly exaggerates situations so as to try and garner support for their point of view. A bit like those gun nuts in the US

Yes. You are wrong./

 

[Barnfred 55]

I’m not overly keen, I just find what you are saying to be misguided. It’s a strange straw man to be battling.
If meat eating is worse, it is right for it to be talked about more

We are going around in circles here.

I'm not denying that rearing domestic farm animals is bad for the climate. People who know a lot more than me are saying it is so I accept that.

What I am saying is that, in the UK, which is all I'm really interested in because nothing I do or say can possibly effect anywhere else in the world, most of our livestock is bred for dairy, wool and leather. Something like 80%, as opposed to 20% being bred/reared for meat. So it makes sense that dairy, wool and leather production is more harmful to the climate than meat production. You have tried saying that packaging, refrigeration and transport makes meat production less environmentally friendly, but I believe I have answered that objectively.

I'm not saying that we can't reduce greenhouse emissions by eating less red meat. What I am saying is that we can reduce more greenhouse emissions by eating less diary products and reducing our consumption of leather and woollen products. But nobody is saying this, not in the headline news and daily chat shows anyway. It's all about red meat reduction and banning beef.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I thought your complaint was that other people were singling out beef
I could be wrong, but I think you might be one of those people who likes certain things (eg beef) and doesn’t want people taking those things away, so makes up or grossly exaggerates situations so as to try and garner support for their point of view. A bit like those gun nuts in the US

Just to add more meat to the bone on my initial flippant response

We are going around in circles here.

I'm not denying that rearing domestic farm animals is bad for the climate. People who know a lot more than me are saying it is so I accept that.

What I am saying is that, in the UK, which is all I'm really interested in because nothing I do or say can possibly effect anywhere else in the world, most of our livestock is bred for dairy, wool and leather. Something like 80%, as opposed to 20% being bred/reared for meat. So it makes sense that dairy, wool and leather production is more harmful to the climate than meat production. You have tried saying that packaging, refrigeration and transport makes meat production less environmentally friendly, but I believe I have answered that objectively.

I'm not saying that we can't reduce greenhouse emissions by eating less red meat. What I am saying is that we can reduce more greenhouse emissions by eating less diary products and reducing our consumption of leather and woollen products. But nobody is saying this, not in the headline news and daily chat shows anyway. It's all about red meat reduction and banning beef.

Please explain to me where I have "grossly exaggerated situations to garner support for my point of view". I'd also like to hear your justification in comparing me to an American gun nut. That should be interesting.

 

[Barnfred 55]

There's a documentary on Netflix called cowspiracy (it has a website with all the facts and figures as well) it's a good watch

Cheers mate. I'll have a look at that as I have Netflix.

I have read up on this quite a bit (having been pulled up on here a few times for being wrong I find it's always safest to check your facts before engaging your keyboard) and some of the figures are quite unbelievable.

 

[WA Toffee]

Just to add more meat to the bone on my initial flippant response

Please explain to me where I have "grossly exaggerated situations to garner support for my point of view". I'd also like to hear your justification in comparing me to an American gun nut. That should be interesting.

Well, you said a google search you did raised more articles about red meat. I typed in the same thing you said you did but I didn't get more references to red meat. Perhaps you were exaggerating your findings to support your point of view? Another quick search suggests that red meat is 10 times more harmful to the environment than dairy, so perhaps the search results you claimed to get are actually justified, even though it appears you don't want that to be the truth.

The comparison to gun nuts is that they won't accept facts and will miconstrue them or omit the ones they don't like because, well, they like guns and don't want to lose them. It appears to me that you like red meat and don't want to lose it.

But since you claimed I am wrong, I am probably misinterpreting your posts

 

[graham74]

Cheers mate. I'll have a look at that as I have Netflix.

I have read up on this quite a bit (having been pulled up on here a few times for being wrong I find it's always safest to check your facts before engaging your keyboard) and some of the figures are quite unbelievable.

There's so much guff out there it's hard to believe anything 100%. Let me know what you think if you do catch it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

@Barnfred 55 are people booing at you as you walk down the street gobbling on a beef burger or something? lol From what I can tell at the moment, there's hardly any peer pressure being applied to our climate-related actions, so you're really only living by your own rules and your own standards.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

@Barnfred 55 are people booing at you as you walk down the street gobbling on a beef burger or something? lol From what I can tell at the moment, there's hardly any peer pressure being applied to our climate-related actions, so you're really only living by your own rules and your own standards.

It’s nuts. He’s on a mission to get himself riled up.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It’s nuts. He’s on a mission to get himself riled up.

I'm hoping he puts an agitated YouTube video up so that grown men can pick on him tbh.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

I don't know a great deal about climate change but I recently read that if things get worse Birkenhead will be under water. I'm not gonna lie, once I heard this information I instantly stuck the heating on along with every light in the house. I've started to burn all pastics in my garden and I've ordered a V8 Range Rover. I'd like to think that I'm contributing to a worthwhile cause.