Captain next season ?

[everton1953]

Incredible that some believe team captains have no role anymore.

 

[4737carlin]

Rooney

 

[tim cahill]

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt but if you want to admit that you ignored it because you had no counter argument that works too.

There are actually lots of reasons. I recently attended a seminar with work about engaging with 'millennials' which included looking at a number of different studies and interviews. The basic premise of what was said is that millennials don't really respond well to being ordered about and treated as a junior. They generally perform better when given more carrot than stick, and when given a certain level of autonomy and responsibility.

You believe that Jagielka isn't inspiring, but can you define what is inspiring for everybody? Inspiring to you is a white knight who comes in and wins all the battles and shows everybody how big and strong they are. That's fine, and there are generations of people who would see it exactly the same way. Much of the modern generation isn't like that though, they don't value the same things, and may be inspired more by someone who has worked their way to the top from an inauspicious start, who listens to them and offers advice when they want it, and who acts like a friend rather than being distant. Most of our players are millennials, I honestly think you'd be surprised at how popular Jagielka is as captain within the team (which is what matters, ultimately).

lol I didn’t ignore anything either. You didn’t bring up that he avoids confrontation in your post.

So millennials are more inspired by figures that shrink away when the going gets tough? Don’t be daft! Human nature hasn’t changed much in thousands of years. Millennials aren’t that different or special.

I like Jagielka and he obviously has some good qualities as a captain. But people are talking about replacing him with Coleman, not some whip wielding slave master.

 

[sageyefc]

Just as long as it's not jagielka

 

[Maltese_Falcon]

Just as long as it's not jagielka

This , ABJ

 

[Tel001]

Mirrallas or Morgan for me

 

[little elfin]

John Terry just left Aston Villa. lol

 

[Lanolin]

lol I didn’t ignore anything either. You didn’t bring up that he avoids confrontation in your post.

So millennials are more inspired by figures that shrink away when the going gets tough? Don’t be daft! Human nature hasn’t changed much in thousands of years. Millennials aren’t that different or special.

I like Jagielka and he obviously has some good qualities as a captain. But people are talking about replacing him with Coleman, not some whip wielding slave master.

No you’re just not quite grasping the point. Or you’re deliberately mangling it to make it seem ridiculous.

I’m not saying that they would absolutely hate the type of captain you’re talking about, simply that you’d be surprised by how many of them would prefer a cool, thoughtful individual than a traditional blood and guts leader. If you look at political figures and blue chip CEOs you’ll see the sort of shift I’m talking about, it’s a genuine and interesting point.

That was all kind of a side issue though, the main point is that if you think a lad in his early 20s earning £100k a week and having his name sung by thousands of fans is more bothered about what someone is saying to them because that person is wearing an armband, I think you are out of touch with reality.

 

[Sarnia Kevin]

There's only one man for the job............Ashley Williams


Only kidding, has to be Seamus all day. I don't think Jags will be playing much more, but keep him as club captain by all means. Seamus to lead on the pitch though.

 

[tim cahill]

No you’re just not quite grasping the point. Or you’re deliberately mangling it to make it seem ridiculous.

I’m not saying that they would absolutely hate the type of captain you’re talking about, simply that you’d be surprised by how many of them would prefer a cool, thoughtful individual than a traditional blood and guts leader. If you look at political figures and blue chip CEOs you’ll see the sort of shift I’m talking about, it’s a genuine and interesting point.

That was all kind of a side issue though, the main point is that if you think a lad in his early 20s earning £100k a week and having his name sung by thousands of fans is more bothered about what someone is saying to them because that person is wearing an armband, I think you are out of touch with reality.

If you think that a lad in his early 20’s is immune to human psychology then it’s you that is out of touch with reality.

But we disagree on this, that’s fine. I’m sure you’ll get your wish with Jagielka as captain anyway.

 

[Lanolin]

If you think that a lad in his early 20’s is immune to human psychology then it’s you that is out of touch with reality.

But we disagree on this, that’s fine. I’m sure you’ll get your wish with Jagielka as captain anyway.

Hmm. Ok i'll try once more and see if you can get it.

1. I'm not saying I think Jagielka should be captain. My wish would be for him not to play a single game next season nevermind as captain, however I know for a fact (well, second hand but from 2 totally different sources) that the players like having him as captain because they respect him and feel he has their back.

2. Human psychology does not make you respect/admire/be inspired by/take more notice of somebody because they run towards conflict. It might make you feel that way, but there is no evidence at all that it is ingrained into the human psyche.

3. For those who do want to run towards conflict, why does an armband make them more effective? Leadership on the pitch should come from everywhere, and if you need an armband to be able to show it then i'm not sure you're the type of character we want.

4. I can pretty much guarantee that if we're not successful and give up the occasional lead over the next 2 years with a new captain then people will start to get on their back and say they're not a leader, whoever it is.

 

[tim cahill]

Hmm. Ok i'll try once more and see if you can get it.

1. I'm not saying I think Jagielka should be captain. My wish would be for him not to play a single game next season nevermind as captain, however I know for a fact (well, second hand but from 2 totally different sources) that the players like having him as captain because they respect him and feel he has their back.

2. Human psychology does not make you respect/admire/be inspired by/take more notice of somebody because they run towards conflict. It might make you feel that way, but there is no evidence at all that it is ingrained into the human psyche.

3. For those who do want to run towards conflict, why does an armband make them more effective? Leadership on the pitch should come from everywhere, and if you need an armband to be able to show it then i'm not sure you're the type of character we want.

4. I can pretty much guarantee that if we're not successful and give up the occasional lead over the next 2 years with a new captain then people will start to get on their back and say they're not a leader, whoever it is.

1. I’m sure the players like him, he seems a nice guy but that doesn’t make him the best captain choice.
2. I disagree. In a team game scenario courage, determination and aggression are positive and inspirational. That’s what our players should be aspiring to.
3. Coleman has shown he doesn’t need the armband to show leadership already. But the armband would give more authority with referees and with teammates.
4. That depends entirely on how they perform in the role.

 

[coollino]

CR7

 

[bcblue1878]

If he’s still around I can see Jagielka being Club captain and so team captain if and when he plays! If Jags isn’t around or not in the team it surely has to be Seamus!

 

[ToePeg]

I'm a wee bit torn on this question of 'who's to be captain?'. Capt Jags has to have the inside running as he just 'gets Everton' (i.e. understands that our work in the community is of much greater priority that any of that footballing malarkey). I love how Capt Jags embraces the Blue Chrimbo festivities, and dressed in his blue Santa costume, he personifies the Everton pantomime.. And yes, whilst it's true his boot laces often coming undone at a game's critical juncture does present occasional issue, I respect the fact he sticks with old fashioned laces rather than swapping these out for the velcro straps he has on his all his other shoes.
But most of all, (and I think I speak for the majority of the forum here), it's his leadership qualities that most amaze me. Capt Jags possesses the leadership traits of no other good skipper. His captaincy talents are unparalleled. His men would follow him anywhere...and whilst a cynic might add "yes, but only out of curiosity", this attribute is not one we should discard without at least a moment's consideration.
And finally, Capt Jags is a winner...you can sense that from his demeanour, his presence, when the teams line up in the tunnel. The opposition is usually beaten before they even get on the pitch, such is Capt Jags' field marshal-like air of authority. Rio Ferdinand once said he learned all his footballing nous from watching videos (that Moysie lent him) of Capt Jags.

So, for me then, calls to retain Capt Jags as skipper is a 100% no brainer.


NSNO

Sniggered out loud at the bold bit, very funny