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tim cahill
Player Valuation: £50m
Totally disagree. Strong leadership is always important. The difference is psychological but that can be significant.
But what leadership does a captain offer? When Phil Neville used to clap and point and get in the referees face people mocked him. Jagielka has a more laid back, relaxed style but the players all seem to really like him and reports suggest he's a strong voice in the dressing room but people mock him too. Why? Because we haven't won anything. It's literally that simple, people only see 'strong leadership' when it results in a trophy or equivalent, a player can be captain at one club and seen as brilliant because things are going well, they go somewhere else and do the exact same but surrounded by the same players and nobody praises their leadership because they're not winning anything.
To repeat a point I've made before, Jagielka was made captain of Sheffield United at 21, he led them to promotion, has captained Everton under 4 managers, and captained England. But nobody on here thinks he's a good captain because we don't win enough games. It's laughable.
Jonto
Player Valuation: £150k
Captaincy isn't what it used to be in the Premier League, but I can't look beyond Coleman. Refreshing and honest, always a grafter, got a bit of skill to him. He came in after his injury and almost instantly changed the whole mentality of the team.
But it'll be Baines or Jags or they'll do something mental like give it to Niasse.
But it'll be Baines or Jags or they'll do something mental like give it to Niasse.
tim cahill
Player Valuation: £50m
It’s not a lack of silverware that makes people think he’s not a good captain. It’s his attitude on the pitch. He’s the last one to be seen whenever there’s a confrontation on the pitch.
Yeah you've missed the bit where I pointed that out. He's a different type of leader, the type who puts an arm round young lads and tells them to keep their chin up, the type who will speak up in the dressing room, the type who people respect rather than fear etc. Phil Neville loved steaming in to get in the referee's face, was he a better captain? If so, why didn't people recognise it at the time? This is the point I was making initially, in my opinion the idea of a captain being an all action superhero is outdated.
deipnosophist
Player Valuation: £80m
I'm a wee bit torn on this question of 'who's to be captain?'. Capt Jags has to have the inside running as he just 'gets Everton' (i.e. understands that our work in the community is of much greater priority that any of that footballing malarkey). I love how Capt Jags embraces the Blue Chrimbo festivities, and dressed in his blue Santa costume, he personifies the Everton pantomime.. And yes, whilst it's true his boot laces often coming undone at a game's critical juncture does present occasional issue, I respect the fact he sticks with old fashioned laces rather than swapping these out for the velcro straps he has on his all his other shoes.
But most of all, (and I think I speak for the majority of the forum here), it's his leadership qualities that most amaze me. Capt Jags possesses the leadership traits of no other good skipper. His captaincy talents are unparalleled. His men would follow him anywhere...and whilst a cynic might add "yes, but only out of curiosity", this attribute is not one we should discard without at least a moment's consideration.
And finally, Capt Jags is a winner...you can sense that from his demeanour, his presence, when the teams line up in the tunnel. The opposition is usually beaten before they even get on the pitch, such is Capt Jags' field marshal-like air of authority. Rio Ferdinand once said he learned all his footballing nous from watching videos (that Moysie lent him) of Capt Jags.
So, for me then, calls to retain Capt Jags as skipper is a 100% no brainer.
NSNO
But most of all, (and I think I speak for the majority of the forum here), it's his leadership qualities that most amaze me. Capt Jags possesses the leadership traits of no other good skipper. His captaincy talents are unparalleled. His men would follow him anywhere...and whilst a cynic might add "yes, but only out of curiosity", this attribute is not one we should discard without at least a moment's consideration.
And finally, Capt Jags is a winner...you can sense that from his demeanour, his presence, when the teams line up in the tunnel. The opposition is usually beaten before they even get on the pitch, such is Capt Jags' field marshal-like air of authority. Rio Ferdinand once said he learned all his footballing nous from watching videos (that Moysie lent him) of Capt Jags.
So, for me then, calls to retain Capt Jags as skipper is a 100% no brainer.
NSNO
Jreverton1
Player Valuation: £15m
100% agree with this.
tim cahill
Player Valuation: £50m
I didn’t miss anything.
Phil Neville wasn’t particularly liked as a player and his comments about the club showed a lack of ambition that people aren’t going to want from our captain. On the pitch he was probably better than Jags though.
There’s no reason that it would be outdated. Why would teammates not be inspired by an inspirational captain anymore??
Keane
How about Jose Baxter? Unless he's gone to Oldham of course...
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt but if you want to admit that you ignored it because you had no counter argument that works too.
There are actually lots of reasons. I recently attended a seminar with work about engaging with 'millennials' which included looking at a number of different studies and interviews. The basic premise of what was said is that millennials don't really respond well to being ordered about and treated as a junior. They generally perform better when given more carrot than stick, and when given a certain level of autonomy and responsibility.
You believe that Jagielka isn't inspiring, but can you define what is inspiring for everybody? Inspiring to you is a white knight who comes in and wins all the battles and shows everybody how big and strong they are. That's fine, and there are generations of people who would see it exactly the same way. Much of the modern generation isn't like that though, they don't value the same things, and may be inspired more by someone who has worked their way to the top from an inauspicious start, who listens to them and offers advice when they want it, and who acts like a friend rather than being distant. Most of our players are millennials, I honestly think you'd be surprised at how popular Jagielka is as captain within the team (which is what matters, ultimately).
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