Can we get into top 6 with Allardyce next season?

[Nymzee]

Pep could manage us and we wouldn’t finish Top 6 next season.

It’s a club issue we’re that far behind not just the manager.

 

[hktoffee]

G20 W7 D6 L7

7th-9th possibly.

I did not credit the West Ham home game win as his.

 

[Brisan123]

WTF??!

Beat me to it

 

[Brisan123]

He did it with Bolton once, so why not with us? Not saying I want him here next year, but in my opinion the problem with the club doesn't start or end with Sam.

If you go into matches viewing them as expected defeats and change personnel to defend a 1-1 draw at Swansea than that’s a major problem

 

[Brisan123]

I disagree with that actually. In fact as dire as the football has been recently its still better than it was under Koeman or Unsy earlier in the season. There just seems to be a combination of a lack of confidence and a lack of being arsed that permeates through the squad with very few exceptions (e.g. Coleman, Jags, Walcott, Tosun, Niasse...)



Can't really disagree with you in many respects, especially with there being more teams that are "in the money" (although Chelsea won the league the year Sam finished 6th with Bolton). The fact you bring up Wenger is interesting. I actually think the biggest issue with Arsenal over past decade has been a lack of a leader on the pitch and in the dressing room and overall a weak mentality. I think this is something we suffer from as well (with the exception perhaps of Coleman).

Agree on the leaders
Fergie always had leaders Robson Keane Stam Hughes Etc
Chelsea had Terry , Czech Drogba Etc
After Arsenal lost Viera ,Adams Bould Etc they lacked leaders and fighters on the pitch.
You have to fight for the right to play good football and win matches

 

[Brisan123]

..lack of athleticism in central midfield and central defence means we have to play deep, once players are beaten there is no chance of recovery. I’m afraid we’re in a bit of a mess with this squad.

Agreed and for all his faults in decision making athleticism in midfield was something Barkley gave us

 

[COYBL25]

He did it with Bolton once, so why not with us? Not saying I want him here next year, but in my opinion the problem with the club doesn't start or end with Sam.

He managed Bolton eleven years ago mate.

A lot has changed in football since then, unfortunately Allardyce hasn`t.

 

[MACCA75]

Agreed and for all his faults in decision making athleticism in midfield was something Barkley gave us

Could probably sign him back tbh. As was predicted by all and sundry, he can’t get near the Chelsea team.

 

[Eggs]

Agreed and for all his faults in decision making athleticism in midfield was something Barkley gave us

..yep, when you have central defenders as slow as ours your back four have to defend on the edge of their box. When that is the case, you have to have players who can join back to front but we don’t have that since Barkley left. I can see Vlasic having that ability but he doesn’t get used.

 

[Eggs]

Could probably sign him back tbh. As was predicted by all and sundry, he can’t get near the Chelsea team.

..it wouldn’t happen and I would be reluctant to recruit a player with such a bad hamstring issue.

 

[Brisan123]

..yep, when you have central defenders as slow as ours your back four have to defend on the edge of their box. When that is the case, you have to have players who can join back to front but we don’t have that since Barkley left. I can see Vlasic having that ability but he doesn’t get used.

Vlasic has the pace and the ability no doubt but I think at the moment he hasn’t got the physical presence to play that role
Barkley was a big lad who could ride a tackle and hold people off
The likes of Matic ,Pogba ,even KDB have that presence and build to do that role.
Vlasic as a No 10 or an inside left ( people under 50 googling inside left as we speak) would be ideal

 

[Brisan123]

Vlasic has the pace and the ability no doubt but I think at the moment he hasn’t got the physical presence to play that role
Barkley was a big lad who could ride a tackle and hold people off
The likes of Matic ,Pogba ,even KDB have that presence and build to do that role.
Vlasic as a No 10 or an inside left ( people under 50 googling inside left as we speak) would be ideal

@Eggs
Replying to my own post here but in a 4/2/3/1 formation if we had a DM of the ilk of Dembele ( Spurs version ) Matic NZonzi Etc who could carry a ball 40/50 yards quickly than Vlasic playing alongside him would be ideal as he could either drive at defences or run beyond the No 10 and the CF
However as you have stated all season our recruitment has been like a patchwork quilt this season , bits and pieces that don’t match sowed together

 

[Tel001]

At this stage I just want to see some forward passing football with tackles and some sort of entertainment tbh... I can Handle not being in the CL hunt etc... but I can't watch boring, sideways, backwards, passionless,walking paced, training session like football without any shooting any longer

 

[Tel001]

WE have the players to form a very good team, with the right tactics, The tactics under Allardyce will never work for our players.
We have quite alot of pace in the squad but its never used correctly, Walcott and Bolasie are both fast, along with Coleman and Lookman, but of cource Lookmans out on loan

We don't have good players tho... bolasie was fast but has scored like 12 goals in his whole prem career ... Morgan is the most disgusting excuse for a pro footballer I have ever seen, coco is coco , DCL couldn't finish his dinner, niasse can't actually do anything apart from finish, jags is 55 as is Williams (in stones) , Keane looks like a 5m player baines is 33 and we don't have another player to back him up, Davies is to young ATM to play 30 games , McCarthy is broken, mirralas is a t#@t , Rooney cant run. Pickford, touson,Coleman, Walcott (who I'm just waiting for his injuries to start) are the only "good" players we have

 

[Eggs]

@Eggs
Replying to my own post here but in a 4/2/3/1 formation if we had a DM of the ilk of Dembele ( Spurs version ) Matic NZonzi Etc who could carry a ball 40/50 yards quickly than Vlasic playing alongside him would be ideal as he could either drive at defences or run beyond the No 10 and the CF
However as you have stated all season our recruitment has been like a patchwork quilt this season , bits and pieces that don’t match sowed together

..I think we need a total rebuild. As @Timak and others have indicated, appointing managers who play with a similar team model so at least we always have the basis of a squad to work with. At the moment we are thinking how to get the best out of who we have, but it’s probably better thinking of the bigger picture and working to a completely new strategy. It’s what the DoF is supposed to coordinate.