Current Affairs Bloody Sunday Verdict

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Happy for the family of the victims who will hopefully see justice.

Have to say though it doesn’t go far enough there are families who won’t see justice for the death of their loved one.

While there should be an investigation in the whitewashes around the inquires and around the chain of command and accountability from the soldiers up.
 
A very bittersweet day for the families of the murdered but a crucial day for the country if Ireland is ever to be allowed to move on.

The work done by Peter Madden in bringing this day about deserves immense credit and I’m sure I’m not alone on here in seeing the parallels with the state cover up regarding Hillsborough.
Some parallels, yes. With respect, though, there is a world of difference between the two events and how they were responded to. Yes, the H'boro families were shafted by legal and political chicanery that required a campaign to put matters right and bring justice. However, in the case of the Bloody Sunday families they had the whole of the British state apparatus with the connivance of a hostile British media establishment (and - shamefully - a hostile uncaring British public, save for people on the left and a few well meaning liberals) arrayed against them, and their campaign was viewed and skewed through the prism of an ongoing murderous civil war and the aftermath of that. I dont want to be weighing up injustice and and rights to feel aggrieved here and declaring one to be greater than the other, but the H'boro families never had that to put up with. Their loss was huge enough, of course. But their cause was always seen as justified and noble and supportable, outside of one newspaper, a few bent coppers and some senior politicians. In fact, I'd compare the Bloody Sunday campaign more precisely with the ongoing Orgreave campaign. The striking miners were similarly traduced and have had to be seen through the lens of a failing workers movement who were presented as a danger to the system....though, of course, there was no loss of life on the day(s).
 
Happy for the family of the victims who will hopefully see justice.

Have to say though it doesn’t go far enough there are families who won’t see justice for the death of their loved one.

While there should be an investigation in the whitewashes around the inquires and around the chain of command and accountability from the soldiers up.
Clear what the British state are doing: waiting for these butchers to shuffle of their mortal coil.

And words fail me with that turd Gavin Williamson. That is one overgrown public schoolboy who needs a good 'kin pasting.
 
Clear what the British state are doing: waiting for these butchers to shuffle of their mortal coil.

And words fail me with that turd Gavin Williamson. That is one overgrown public schoolboy who needs a good 'kin pasting.

It’s just more of the same institutional oppression and contempt for the people of NI. Is a life in NI not worth as much as one in London, if someone was shot in London would the U.K. government pay their legal fees, pastrol support and welfare support. His comments and actions are shameful, it’s sad in this day and age that that is still the prevailing attitude of his and Bradley’s like.

I hope for justice here, rather then expect it.
 
Some parallels, yes. With respect, though, there is a world of difference between the two events and how they were responded to. Yes, the H'boro families were shafted by legal and political chicanery that required a campaign to put matters right and bring justice. However, in the case of the Bloody Sunday families they had the whole of the British state apparatus with the connivance of a hostile British media establishment (and - shamefully - a hostile uncaring British public, save for people on the left and a few well meaning liberals) arrayed against them, and their campaign was viewed and skewed through the prism of an ongoing murderous civil war and the aftermath of that. I dont want to be weighing up injustice and and rights to feel aggrieved here and declaring one to be greater than the other, but the H'boro families never had that to put up with. Their loss was huge enough, of course. But their cause was always seen as justified and noble and supportable, outside of one newspaper, a few bent coppers and some senior politicians. In fact, I'd compare the Bloody Sunday campaign more precisely with the ongoing Orgreave campaign. The striking miners were similarly traduced and have had to be seen through the lens of a failing workers movement who were presented as a danger to the system....though, of course, there was no loss of life on the day(s).
An excellent post @davek.

I alluded to it earlier but the work done by Madden and Finucane Solicitors to gather vast amounts of evidence in the face of political, judicial and military opposition is incredible. Truth delivery was an amazing outcome in itself and hopefully justice will deliver the right outcome.

This development must be also viewed in the context of the ongoing enquiry into the Ballymurphy Massacre. It is going to be a very uncomfortable few years for the UK government.
 
Remember it like yesterday. I was heading out to mass at about 6.30 pm Sunday 30th January 1972 and went into my mother's bedroom to say goodbye. She was from Derry. She had the radio on and was lying on the bed crying. I asked what was wrong. "There's been a lot of trouble in Derry today son and people have been killed." I was too young to understand the enormity of what has happened.

Over the next few days on the TV the cover up had begun; we were led to believe that the soldiers had been fired upon and were acting in self-defence. Then came the Widgery report which exonerated everyone involved from soldiers on the ground to the commanding officer.

But the people of Derry who had been on that Civil Rights march knew better. And because justice was denied and the truth buried, some people felt they had no option but to fight back. The whitewash that took place was effectively a recruitment drive for republican paramilitaries and prolonged The Troubles far longer than they might otherwise have lasted.

Its an absolute tragedy that it has taken this long for the families to see some kind of justice. One prosecution is better than nothing, but the fight will go on.
 
An excellent post @davek.

I alluded to it earlier but the work done by Madden and Finucane Solicitors to gather vast amounts of evidence in the face of political, judicial and military opposition is incredible. Truth delivery was an amazing outcome in itself and hopefully justice will deliver the right outcome.

This development must be also viewed in the context of the ongoing enquiry into the Ballymurphy Massacre. It is going to be a very uncomfortable few years for the UK government.

"...but, but, but they're old now...some of them are Chelsea Pensioners too".

I'd drag them out of their piss stained beds in their old people's home and stick them in the dock.
 
It’s just more of the same institutional oppression and contempt for the people of NI. Is a life in NI not worth as much as one in London, if someone was shot in London would the U.K. government pay their legal fees, pastrol support and welfare support. His comments and actions are shameful, it’s sad in this day and age that that is still the prevailing attitude of his and Bradley’s like.

I hope for justice here, rather then expect it.
There will be none. This Soldier F will be sent back home to his midden and allowed to continue his thrilling life keeping ferrets or whatever the scumbag does between now and snuffing it (hopefully very soon).

That's because the globe's longest colonial struggle will continue for decades to come and there will be no quarter given or taken in that conflict.
 
I look forward to everyone demanding that the IRA murderers are brought to justice.....
Are you saying the soldiers were terrorists then?

This isnt tit for tat you insensitive fool.

This has nothing to do with the IRA and everything to do with a terrible act by the british soldiers opening fire on innocent civilians who peacefully protesting.

Ridiculous comment.

But sure open a can of worms instead.
 
Are you saying the soldiers were terrorists then?

This isnt tit for tat you insensitive fool.

This has nothing to do with the IRA and everything to do with a terrible act by the british soldiers opening fire on innocent civilians who peacefully protesting.

Ridiculous comment.

But sure open a can of worms instead.

Attempting to prosecute soldiers while allowing murderous terrorists to go free is the can of worms that has been opened.....
 
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