Best Everton team since the 00's

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davek said:
Rooney (first time round) and Lukaku are the only truly top quality players we've had in that time. The others mentioned here were good in fits and starts but nowhere near the level of those two.

And I think it's instructive that none were bought by Moyes in all his time here. He wouldn't know a great player if he fell over one and made sure the players he did dither over were the type who'd accept his dominance, which is generally a recipe to bring in dullard players..
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Agree with the first bit.

Rooney came through at Everton so can't be credited to any manager, but Martinez deserved a lot of praise for bringing in a player of Lukaku's calibre.

Think you're being harsh on Moyes though. He took over at the club when we were a bottom half side, and when he got us in to the top 6 Kenwright didn't give him enough money to improve us significantly. Moyes made a lot of excellent signings for the prices we paid. It was one of his main strengths.
 
davek said:
Rooney (first time round) and Lukaku are the only truly top quality players we've had in that time. The others mentioned here were good in fits and starts but nowhere near the level of those two.

And I think it's instructive that none were bought by Moyes in all his time here. He wouldn't know a great player if he fell over one and made sure the players he did dither over were the type who'd accept his dominance, which is generally a recipe to bring in dullard players..
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I agree with the with Lukaku and Rooney - top players by any standards.
Moyes though didn't have a chance. Rooney came through the academy and Lukaku was brought by Martinez, so it's not a fair comparison. Moyes did his best with his resources, and I think Cahill, Arteta, Jags, Baines were good signings. The failed attempts to make something of Johnson/Beattie and Yakubu show that he never had a system that suited good strikers, or he bought mediocre strikers.

I get what you're saying about his dominance; i think he wanted to get 'nice' 'mouldable' players whom he could influence, which is of course why Man U never worked out for him cos they didn't listen to him. I also think it's what has cost Arsenal in the last 10 years - Wenger was always trying to sign and nurture nice players who would accept him as a father figure, and the big characters Petit, Viera, Henry, Adams etc were not seen any more.
 
EFC78 said:
Agree with the first bit.

Rooney came through at Everton so can't be credited to any manager, but Martinez deserved a lot of praise for bringing in a player of Lukaku's calibre.

Think you're being harsh on Moyes though. He took over at the club when we were a bottom half side, and when he got us in to the top 6 Kenwright didn't give him enough money to improve us significantly. Moyes made a lot of excellent signings for the prices we paid. It was one of his main strengths.
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I've said in the past on transfer cash that we need to dissect Moyes' warchest whilst here. Between 2002 and 2009 he had a net spend of £30M+ - not elite levels of spending, but defo a tidy sum for that period. From 2009 on to the time he left in 2013 he was complicit in a firesale of players that made his overall net spend for the 2002-2013 period look atrocious.

In short: he had the means early on to find and bring on great talent. He didn't though, and the truth is he wanted players he could dominate rather than sparkle on the pitch.
 
APN_EFC said:
I agree with the with Lukaku and Rooney - top players by any standards.
Moyes though didn't have a chance. Rooney came through the academy and Lukaku was brought by Martinez, so it's not a fair comparison. Moyes did his best with his resources, and I think Cahill, Arteta, Jags, Baines were good signings. The failed attempts to make something of Johnson/Beattie and Yakubu show that he never had a system that suited good strikers, or he bought mediocre strikers.

I get what you're saying about his dominance; i think he wanted to get 'nice' 'mouldable' players whom he could influence, which is of course why Man U never worked out for him cos they didn't listen to him. I also think it's what has cost Arsenal in the last 10 years - Wenger was always trying to sign and nurture nice players who would accept him as a father figure, and the big characters Petit, Viera, Henry, Adams etc were not seen any more.
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Yep, but pretty much I'd give the same reply as I just gave EFC78 above.
 
davek said:
Yep, but pretty much I'd give the same reply as I just gave EFC78 above.
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Do you also think that its a comfortable story for both Moyes and the fans, to think that his track record was one of constantly punching above our weight, having limited resources and outperforming ourselves? It certainly would fit into a Kenwright fantasy and is kind of like the convenient place Arsenal are putting themselves in now
'We can't be any better than this because everyone has got so much more money - this is the best we can do'.
 
APN_EFC said:
Do you also think that its a comfortable story for both Moyes and the fans, to think that his track record was one of constantly punching above our weight, having limited resources and outperforming ourselves? It certainly would fit into a Kenwright fantasy and is kind of like the convenient place Arsenal are putting themselves in now
'We can't be any better than this because everyone has got so much more money - this is the best we can do'.
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I do think he managed resources incredibly well. But my point in terms of this thread would be that the standard of players he brought in (even the very best) could never be described as players you'd say were outstanding within the context of the whole industry. Arteta is probably the pick of them, but he was never a player you could say that about.
 
Martin
Coleman - Jagielka - Lescott- Baines
Arteta - Cahill - Gravesen - Pienaar
Lukaku - Rooney

Lukaku, Rooney and Gravesen would not get along. It would be hilarious.
 
davek said:
I do think he managed resources incredibly well. But my point in terms of this thread would be that the standard of players he brought in (even the very best) could never be described as players you'd say were outstanding within the context of the whole industry. Arteta is probably the pick of them, but he was never a player you could say that about.
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Interesting point that. Never even bothered looking, but out of the players he had/bought, won caps during his tenure? Thats a reasonable yard stick I would venture.
 
roydo said:
Interesting point that. Never even bothered looking, but out of the players he had/bought, won caps during his tenure? Thats a reasonable yard stick I would venture.
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It would be if the national teams were elite ones. I have no idea but I'd venture that most were from low ranking nations.
 
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