Current Affairs Assault on US Capitol and Related (non-Trump) Investigation

[Prevenger17]

I’m losing the will to live now......

We're all feeling that way Pete. You've been absolutely all over the shop and, tbh, have made a bit of a tit of yourself

 

[BlueTX]

For those curious about the origins of the impeachment clause found this an interesting read. Particularly that the framers realized fhat given the power given to the President meant there there were actions that were not chargable as a crime that still warranted removal to protect the nation.

Impeachment as National Security: The Framers’ Intentions

One of the most significant yet underappreciated lessons of the history of impeachment is that it was intended as a tool to strengthen the nation’s security.

www.lawfareblog.com

The framers settled on “Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” The first two were clear enough from a definitional perspective, but the Constitution’s framers found them not sufficiently broad to serve as a sufficient safeguard. For them, criminality was neither necessary nor sufficient, even if it made the case clearer and more comfortable. The Constitutional debates reveal that the addition of “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” was key as it signified the framers’ belief that an impeachable offense need not be a crime at all. Borrowing this phrase from previous British legal practice, the Constitution’s authors reasoned that there were “many great and dangerous offenses” that would not necessarily meet the precise definitions of either treason or bribery but that nevertheless would constitute an egregious abuse of power, an imperiling of national security or a betrayal of national trust.

In the not-so-distant past, the GOP, led by the likes of Lindsey Graham (who was a House Impeachment Manager), felt lying to the FBI about receiving oral sex from a WH intern reached the level of "high crime and misdemeanor". Quaint notion now, eh?

Is it truly shocking to anyone that a Tory in England has the same view of atonement or justice as the modern Conservative here in the States? Justice is for thee, not for me!!

I love JK Galbraith's quote about the modern conservative, "they are engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."

 

[peteblue]

I think it’s actually you who is confused. In American Constitutional terms, impeachment = indictment. It’s now up to the Senate to conduct his trial, and if they convict him of the crimes he’s been impeached for he will be removed from office and almost certainly barred from holding public office again.

Obviously the removal from office will be moot, as his term will have ended, so this whole exercise is really about barring him from running in the future and setting the precedent that sedition won’t EVER be tolerated, regardless of how long you have left in office.

Impeachment = indictment, which is exactly what I said.....

 

[peteblue]

We're all feeling that way Pete. You've been absolutely all over the shop and, tbh, have made a bit of a tit of yourself

Yeah, but I only do it every now and again, whereas you......

 

[TN Toffee]

Impeachment = indictment, which is exactly what I said.....

Gotcha. I read your post as saying he still had yet to be impeached, pending Senate proceedings. My apologies.

 

[Prevenger17]

Impeachment = indictment, which is exactly what I said.....

I said he was impeached, you said he was indicted. If they were the same thing then why did you even bring it up? Jack I need you again, help me out here

 

[peteblue]

I can only apologise from this side of the pond for my fellow Brits who havnt a clue about your political system, but continue to tell you what to do.

I find the whole thing baffling. But very interesting.

advise...advise, it’s only Mods that tell people what to do......

 

[peteblue]

Gotcha. I read your post as saying he still had yet to be impeached, pending Senate proceedings. My apologies.

This is the problem you see, Prev and co don’t actually read.....

 

[BlueTX]

This is the problem you see, Prev and co don’t actually read.....

Oh, Prev read it and his response was totally appropriate, as was TN Toffee's (who had no need to apologize).

 

[peteblue]

Oh, Prev read it and his response was totally appropriate, as was TN Toffee's (who had no need to apologize).

How do you know Prev read it. How do you know it wasn’t his mum who then explained it to him.....

 

[Prevenger17]

Yeah, but I only do it every now and again, whereas you......

Says the man who wanted to nuke Iran and made up an imaginary finance director to help his own wafer-thin Brexit arguments. Yeah I'm alright thnx

 

[BlueTX]

How do you know Prev read it. How do you know it wasn’t his mum who then explained it to him.....

Bed, Pete. Bed.

 

[TN Toffee]

Nothing says “I did nothing wrong” like going home from the coup, shaving your beard, deleting your Facebook and pulling the SIM card out of your phone.

https://www.wdrb.com/news/fbi-arrests-man-from-louisville-who-entered-us-capitol-during-riot/article_9dff8ffc-5863-11eb-b21c-5b982889fe2a.html

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Peter's definition of healing is:

• Trump doing what ever the hell he wants while still in office and winding up his rabid base with crap eating lunatic conspiracies
• Biden letting him do so without any consequences

A fair compromise, I think we can all agree, let the healing begin

Nuking Iran still makes me lol

 

[peteblue]

Says the man who wanted to nuke Iran and made up an imaginary finance director to help his own wafer-thin Brexit arguments. Yeah I'm alright thnx

I didn’t want to nuke Iran, just Tehran. The rest of your post is both childish and incorrect...you’re better than that.....