Current Affairs Assault on US Capitol and Related (non-Trump) Investigation

[TN Toffee]

Yes mainstream media is left of center. No one debates this

that’s a far cry from as far right as you can go

it’s NOT the same.

Being left of center is the US probably still amounts to being right of center in the big picture of Western political discourse, so it’s all really relative.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Being left of center is the US probably still amounts to being right of center in the big picture of Western political discourse, so it’s all really relative.

exactly

The mainstream media is just as bad as Fox News argument is just so tiresome

 

[canuckblue]

You have more faith in people than I do.
I hope you’re right

Maybe it's faith, maybe it's naivete. I just believe that if we take the time to at least hear out the other viewpoint (the codicil being it has to at least be intelligent or plausible) instead of automatically discounting it, we'd get a lot farther down the road to a better society. Otherwise, it's just a continuous Monty Python argument sketch.

 

[verreauxi]

I feel no pity for her, but on a more general level it is quite sad that her life is ruined by a baseless conspiracy, in the same sense that tons of lives have been ruined by scientology and other cults.

 

[canuckblue]

exactly

The mainstream media is just as bad as Fox News argument is just so tiresome

How the hell did I get quoted there? That was TN Toffee's post.

 

[canuckblue]

I feel no pity for her, but on a more general level it is quite sad that her life is ruined by a baseless conspiracy, in the same sense that tons of lives have been ruined by scientology and other cults.

Now you've done it. Tom Cruise will be coming after you.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Maybe it's faith, maybe it's naivete. I just believe that if we take the time to at least hear out the other viewpoint (the codicil being it has to at least be intelligent or plausible) instead of automatically discounting it, we'd get a lot farther down the road to a better society. Otherwise, it's just a continuous Monty Python argument sketch.

In theory, and 40 years ago, your point is valid

but what is “listening to the other viewpoint” when it’s based on lies and not based on reality? What then?

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

How the hell did I get quoted there? That was TN Toffee's post.

I know I did this on my phone and couldn’t figure out how to fix something I did

 

[verreauxi]

I was reading an article suggesting that the sale of guns in the USA has gone through the roof over the last year, with one or two fearful of ‘civil war’. Is this a real situation or one being manufactured by the media....

Absolutely real. Sales are crushing it; the first wave started with the impending pandemic back in March and it continued with the George Floyd protests, and then after the election results started coming in they continued to go higher.

 

[verreauxi]

Now you've done it. Tom Cruise will be coming after you.

I'll just hold out my arm, stiffly at shoulder level and he'll keep running in place on his lifters.

 

[canuckblue]

In theory, and 40 years ago, your point is valid

but what is “listening to the other viewpoint” when it’s based on lies and not based on reality? What then?

I'm talking on an individual level. As an example, years ago I had a friend who worked for a local radio station while I was at the local paper. We used to get together at least once a week for drinks. We were nowhere near each other politically, so inevitably we'd get into some pretty good discussions. Yet almost every time, one of us would admit the other had a decent point to make. We might have agreed to disagree, but it was always amicable and with respect.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I'm talking on an individual level. As an example, years ago I had a friend who worked for a local radio station while I was at the local paper. We used to get together at least once a week for drinks. We were nowhere near each other politically, so inevitably we'd get into some pretty good discussions. Yet almost every time, one of us would admit the other had a decent point to make. We might have agreed to disagree, but it was always amicable and with respect.

“Years ago” this was possible. In fact as a former moderate Republican I usually was arguing with Democrats

I can’t have any reasonable debates with Trumpers. Even educated ones.

So I try to minimize my contact with them

This is today’s reality

 

[canuckblue]

“Years ago” this was possible. In fact as a former moderate Republican I usually was arguing with Democrats

I can’t have any reasonable debates with Trumpers. Even educated ones.

So I try to minimize my contact with them

This is today’s reality

All Trumpers are Republicans, but in my mind not all Republicans are Trumpers. That's too simplistic.
It ties in with the "single-issue voter" idea. A good many who voted for Trump in 2016 in the Rust Belt said they did so because their No. 1 concern was all of the manufacturing jobs lost overseas -- jobs they used to have -- that he promised to bring back with his America First policies. I may be mistaken, but I don't think those jobs really came back in any significant numbers, and that may be a reason why Biden took all of those states this time around.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

All Trumpers are Republicans, but in my mind not all Republicans are Trumpers. That's too simplistic.
It ties in with the "single-issue voter" idea. A good many who voted for Trump in 2016 in the Rust Belt said they did so because their No. 1 concern was all of the manufacturing jobs lost overseas -- jobs they used to have -- that he promised to bring back with his America First policies. I may be mistaken, but I don't think those jobs really came back in any significant numbers, and that may be a reason why Biden took all of those states this time around.

On a personal level, I only know of one of my friends/family who voted for trump in 2016 but Biden in 2020. And he’s a rich republican

the ones in the rust belt working class like my family doubled down on trump

has nothing to do with economics

 

[canuckblue]

On a personal level, I only know of one of my friends/family who voted for trump in 2016 but Biden in 2020. And he’s a rich republican

the ones in the rust belt working class like my family doubled down on trump

has nothing to do with economics

Well, I bow to your experience, seeing I don't live there. And I'm not being sarcastic. So my question then is, why would they stay with Trump when he was so clearly unfit for the job?