Current Affairs Assault on US Capitol and Related (non-Trump) Investigation

[canuckblue]

Maybe doing what Trump(obvs), Obama, Bush and Clinton ignored for years might be a good start? They refused to say that there was a radical right wing/white nationalistic part of the country and it was the single biggest threat because it is. Antifa isn't a threat, BLM isn't a threat, "Progressives" aren't a threat. Racist backward thinking idiots who have no issues killing anyone is the threat.

Agreed, but the problem is those people look at the likes of Antifa, BLM, progressives, affirmative action, women's rights, gay rights, etc., as a threat and it will be nigh on impossible to change that mindset. But that's what has to happen, otherwise America will never heal. And I believe it starts with education, especially of the younger generation, before it can be irrevocably shaped by older, more entrenched viewpoints.

 

[riddick]

Agreed, but the problem is those people look at the likes of Antifa, BLM, progressives, affirmative action, women's rights, gay rights, etc., as a threat and it will be nigh on impossible to change that mindset. But that's what has to happen, otherwise America will never heal. And I believe it starts with education, especially of the younger generation, before it can be irrevocably shaped by older, more entrenched viewpoints.

"When you are used to priveledge, equality feels like oppression".

I don't disagree that education is absolutely needed but I just don't see how you can claw back at those already entrenched.

 

[canuckblue]

"When you are used to priveledge, equality feels like oppression".

I don't disagree that education is absolutely needed but I just don't see how you can claw back at those already entrenched.

Sadly, I don't think you can. But there needs to be a two-pronged approach -- come down hard on the idiots like the ones who stormed the Capitol and also try to reach and open the younger minds. If that can be done -- and I know it's a big ask -- then maybe a generation or two down the road this backwards mentality will be greatly reduced.
As well, it would also help, I feel anyway, if somehow people were able to get away from tarring those from the other side of the political spectrum with the same brush. Not everyone who votes Republican is a racist Neanderthal, just as not everyone who votes Democrat is a tree-hugging vegan. The ability to respect someone else's point of view -- barring extremes that involve crap like rioting, or course -- without necessarily agreeing with it is fundamental to a mature society.

 

[riddick]

Sadly, I don't think you can. But there needs to be a two-pronged approach -- come down hard on the idiots like the ones who stormed the Capitol and also try to reach and open the younger minds. If that can be done -- and I know it's a big ask -- then maybe a generation or two down the road this backwards mentality will be greatly reduced.
As well, it would also help, I feel anyway, if somehow people were able to get away from tarring those from the other side of the political spectrum with the same brush. Not everyone who votes Republican is a racist Neanderthal, just as not everyone who votes Democrat is a tree-hugging vegan. The ability to respect someone else's point of view -- barring extremes that involve crap like rioting, or course -- without necessarily agreeing with it is fundamental to a mature society.

The problem is nuanced. My friend voted for Trump literally because he thinks the debt is getting too high and it's decreasing the value of his wages he takes home. Nothing else mattered to him. Not the racism, not the rhetoric, not the absolute destruction of the government, not the environment.

Republicans have such a massive hard-on for being "single issue" voters it's hard to get through to any of them.

 

[canuckblue]

The problem is nuanced. My friend voted for Trump literally because he thinks the debt is getting too high and it's decreasing the value of his wages he takes home. Nothing else mattered to him. Not the racism, not the rhetoric, not the absolute destruction of the government, not the environment.

Republicans have such a massive hard-on for being "single issue" voters it's hard to get through to any of them.

Can you at least respect his viewpoint? That's the point I'm trying to make.

 

[TN Toffee]

The problem is nuanced. My friend voted for Trump literally because he thinks the debt is getting too high and it's decreasing the value of his wages he takes home. Nothing else mattered to him. Not the racism, not the rhetoric, not the absolute destruction of the government, not the environment.

Republicans have such a massive hard-on for being "single issue" voters it's hard to get through to any of them.

I would be receptive to that line of thinking if Trump had even pretended he cared about deficits.

 

[TN Toffee]

This Tweet should at least raise some questions. Posted the day of the attacks. Particularly problematic if she was one of the ones giving tours the previous day.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Can you at least respect his viewpoint? That's the point I'm trying to make.

Republicans haven’t been fiscally conservative for decades though. That’s why those old talking points ring so hollow

nothing changes from an education standpoint until right wing media is held accountable for their lies. It’s not “news” or “opinions”. It’s open lies that has been radicalizing people since the mid 90s

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Sadly, I don't think you can. But there needs to be a two-pronged approach -- come down hard on the idiots like the ones who stormed the Capitol and also try to reach and open the younger minds. If that can be done -- and I know it's a big ask -- then maybe a generation or two down the road this backwards mentality will be greatly reduced.
As well, it would also help, I feel anyway, if somehow people were able to get away from tarring those from the other side of the political spectrum with the same brush. Not everyone who votes Republican is a racist Neanderthal, just as not everyone who votes Democrat is a tree-hugging vegan. The ability to respect someone else's point of view -- barring extremes that involve crap like rioting, or course -- without necessarily agreeing with it is fundamental to a mature society.

Not everyone who votes Republican is a racist Neanderthal- this used to be true

Further if you still vote Republican after the last four years and what we’ve seen post election then I have doubts truly about ones intentions for Voting Republican

 

[canuckblue]

Republicans haven’t been fiscally conservative for decades though. That’s why those old talking points ring so hollow

nothing changes from an education standpoint until right wing media is held accountable for their lies. It’s not “news” or “opinions”. It’s open lies that has been radicalizing people since the mid 90s

All media have their inherent biases and as someone who worked in the business for more than 30 years I assure you a huge chunk of the mainstream media, at least in North America, is left of centre. The problem is the media just can't simply report the facts and let the viewers/readers/listeners draw their own conclusions. No, there has to be an injection of opinion, condescending head-shaking, a blatant distortion of truth or outright gaslighting. I don't trust any one media outlet any more or any less than another these days (except for GOT, of course, where everything is 100% honest and factual).
And I'd wager the vast majority of voters in democracies worldwide are "single-issue" voters -- they identify an issue that's especially important to them and vote for the party that best addresses -- or lies about -- that concern. The rest is just details.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

All media have their inherent biases and as someone who worked in the business for more than 30 years I assure you a huge chunk of the mainstream media, at least in North America, is left of centre. The problem is the media just can't simply report the facts and let the viewers/readers/listeners draw their own conclusions. No, there has to be an injection of opinion, condescending head-shaking, a blatant distortion of truth or outright gaslighting. I don't trust any one media outlet any more or any less than another these days (except for GOT, of course, where everything is 100% honest and factual).
And I'd wager the vast majority of voters in democracies worldwide are "single-issue" voters -- they identify an issue that's especially important to them and vote for the party that best addresses -- or lies about -- that concern. The rest is just details.

Yes mainstream media is left of center. No one debates this

that’s a far cry from as far right as you can go

it’s NOT the same.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[TN Toffee]

Republicans haven’t been fiscally conservative for decades though. That’s why those old talking points ring so hollow

nothing changes from an education standpoint until right wing media is held accountable for their lies. It’s not “news” or “opinions”. It’s open lies that has been radicalizing people since the mid 90s

We only ever hear them carry on about deficits and spending when they lose power. It’s just a means to make hay with their base by obstructing the government in hopes of denying help to the people their base hates.

 

[canuckblue]

Yes mainstream media is left of center. No one debates this

that’s a far cry from as far right as you can go

it’s NOT the same.

It is when it comes to building trust.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

It is when it comes to building trust.

You have more faith in people than I do.
I hope you’re right