Arsenal: £10m for Arteta

[Blue Wiz]

Selling Arteta for £10M is a steal. He's worth alot more then that, considering that he has years left of his contract.. if it was only 1-2 years then perhaps that pricetag would be correct.. but he has 4 years left (I think) and therfore worth more that £10M. Especially if you look at how much other players are valued. I read somewhere that Sebastian Larsson, the midfielder in Birmingham, is valued at £6-8M. If he's worth that, Arteta is worth at least twice that.

Yes, Arteta hasn't been his best this season, but he have had an injury during a long time of the season so that might explain a lot of it.

 

[Walter Ego]

Just to pick up on a few points that have been made here. I think Moyes did/does like the winger system as has been said, he bought AVD. He's also been linked with Downing a fair bit in the past. The fact is there havent been that many around in recent seasons although with Hunt and Bentley etc there seems to be a few more on the up. I think thats why Arteta plays on the wing. When he first came here we needed someone badly in that position and he filled the slot. As he's been so good we now naturally assume hes a winger but i dont think he is. He's got no pace and his cross completion succes rate must be average at best. He's a very decent centre midfield player i think.
The other point i wanted to make is that over moyes's time with us he seems to have played 4-5-1, first to keep us up, and then as it was so effective hes gone from there. But theres been times in the past when he's wanted to progress to 4-4-2 but when tried the midfield cant handle it.(the 4-4-2 recently has been played due to injurys). The thing is, this season has shown us the best teams in the championies league all play 4-5-1. Even man u have cottoned on to it and could now win it in moscow.
This post remains a bit unfinished cause after the last paragraph i had me tea and then forgot what i wanted to say when i got back.
Nevermind i think you get the jist

 

[davek]

Arteta is our best dribbler though. He's our only player who runs with the ball and actually goes at people. Fernandes, Osman and Pienaar don't do that. Surely we want to keep our best player at moving with the ball.

I always thought Van der Meyde was a cultured wide man more than anything. He wasn't a byline hitter at Ajax and he certainly never showed natural pace or width hear.

He had excellent technique but he did have a tendency to just get a yard and whip it in early. Maybe he'd lost a yard of pace due to injuries and lack of fitness and was trying to change his game.

Pienaar goes at defenders and commits them too. And he retains the ball as well as Arteta - never gives the ball away cheaply. He's been by far the most potent of our midfielders going forward this season.

As for AVM not being a by-line hitter, that's principally because he's usually played wide left and likes to cut in on his stronger right foot. I remember him playing some games for Inter down the right flank and looked a more orthodox winger. He was the wrong choice for Moyes...well past it, though even now shows glimpses of what might have been....minus booze/injuries.

 

[Neiler]

Dom i hope your wrong! Didnt he come out a couple of weeks ago and say hes not off anywhere. Who else would he go to in the top four i doubht Chelsea or Utd, Arsenal rarely by players of another Prem team and i dont think they could afford him, and suely he, the club would never sell him to the [Poor language removed]!

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Pienaar goes at defenders and commits them too. And he retains the ball as well as Arteta - never gives the ball away cheaply. He's been by far the most potent of our midfielders going forward this season.

As for AVM not being a by-line hitter, that's principally because he's usually played wide left and likes to cut in on his stronger right foot. I remember him playing some games for Inter down the right flank and looked a more orthodox winger. He was the wrong choice for Moyes...well past it, though even now shows glimpses of what might have been....minus booze/injuries.

To be honest I rarely see Pienaar go past his fullback. No doubting he runs with the ball but he usually cuts inside and links play or looks for the pass. The reason Moyes plays him on the left is because on the right he'd have to stick to the byline and and run at people and I don't think he likes that.

Arteta is alot more capable of getting away from his man and beating opposition players. He's slightly quicker than Pienaar, has more tricks and is naturally a stronger player.

Agree on Van der Meyde though. He was predominantly played in the left which forces him to cut inside.

 

[TX Bill]

The benchmark for me has always been the 18M for one Michael Carrick.

Regardless of what you think of him as a player and what he contributes to Manchester United, he was nowhere worth that amount.

Unfortunately, that's what the transfer market is now.

So, anytime the idea of selling one of our players, regardless of position, comes up, just use the Michael Carrick benchmark and you can pretty much figure out what a player is probably gonna fetch on the market.

Notice I didn't say what a player is "worth."

So, if Carrick is worth 18M, then Arteta could easily be sold for 12-15M depending on who's inquiring.

 

[sotnas]

If we want to progress we should keep our best players or, if we really have to sell him, for a crazy price. I'd say 25M or nothing.

If they want him, they'll have to pay the price.

We should not underevaluate a player. If we regard as an important one, then his rice tag should reflect this importance.

 

[sotnas]

Just to pick up on a few points that have been made here. I think Moyes did/does like the winger system as has been said, he bought AVD. He's also been linked with Downing a fair bit in the past. The fact is there havent been that many around in recent seasons although with Hunt and Bentley etc there seems to be a few more on the up. I think thats why Arteta plays on the wing. When he first came here we needed someone badly in that position and he filled the slot. As he's been so good we now naturally assume hes a winger but i dont think he is. He's got no pace and his cross completion succes rate must be average at best. He's a very decent centre midfield player i think.
The other point i wanted to make is that over moyes's time with us he seems to have played 4-5-1, first to keep us up, and then as it was so effective hes gone from there. But theres been times in the past when he's wanted to progress to 4-4-2 but when tried the midfield cant handle it.(the 4-4-2 recently has been played due to injurys). The thing is, this season has shown us the best teams in the championies league all play 4-5-1. Even man u have cottoned on to it and could now win it in moscow.
This post remains a bit unfinished cause after the last paragraph i had me tea and then forgot what i wanted to say when i got back.
Nevermind i think you get the jist

Well I think that having Cahill fit and Arteta, it would be dificult to play 4-4-2. They wouldn't play well together in the middle, I think.

So DM provided a more defensive minded player in the midfield, pushed Arteta to the wing and used Cahill as an attacking midfielder.

But on the other hand, playing 4-5-1 we'd need at least one player that could provide us width, which would give more options during the game.

With Yak and AJ I think we should play both upfront all the time.

But then again, Brazil don't use wingers and they're still the most successfull national team in history. Perhaps trying a diamond formation would open up other perspective because I can't see us going back to a 3-5-2, as it would be a radical change in tactics.

 

[Jondi10]

I saw something along the same lines but it was Arteta and Lescott both to Arsenal for 22mil

 

[TX Bill]

Yeah, that wouldn't be enough. They'd have to cliimb over 30M to make it worth our while and we still wouldn't sell.

 

[Walter Ego]

Well I think that having Cahill fit and Arteta, it would be dificult to play 4-4-2. They wouldn't play well together in the middle, I think.

So DM provided a more defensive minded player in the midfield, pushed Arteta to the wing and used Cahill as an attacking midfielder.

But on the other hand, playing 4-5-1 we'd need at least one player that could provide us width, which would give more options during the game.

With Yak and AJ I think we should play both upfront all the time.

But then again, Brazil don't use wingers and they're still the most successfull national team in history. Perhaps trying a diamond formation would open up other perspective because I can't see us going back to a 3-5-2, as it would be a radical change in tactics.

I think what im saying is that i now believe 4-5-1 is the way to continue, with two wingers, cahill and arteta in the middle, but with a proper defensive midfielder. Our defense just needs a right back. Id love a tem like this:
Howard
some new RB? Jags Lescott Baines

Bentley Arteta Barry Cahill Downing

Yakubu / Ashton

 

[scottishtoffee]

I think what im saying is that i now believe 4-5-1 is the way to continue, with two wingers, cahill and arteta in the middle, but with a proper defensive midfielder. Our defense just needs a right back. Id love a tem like this:
Howard
some new RB? Jags Lescott Baines

Bentley Arteta Barry Cahill Downing

Yakubu / Ashton

that would be an amazing line up, problem is Bentley+Barry+Downing+Ashton= £40 million. and thats if we can get them to sign in the first place.

how many goals would Cahill and Yak score though...

 

[Hibbertle]

that would be an amazing line up, problem is Bentley+Barry+Downing+Ashton= £40 million. and thats if we can get them to sign in the first place.

how many goals would Cahill and Yak score though...

Yeah, and Barry apparently is going to RS. I used to like him but if he's that idiotic to join such a scum of a club ...

Anyway regarding the whole 4-5-1 system, I really like to see us adopt a more standard 4-4-2 and have the 4-5-1 option, instead of the other way round, because most likely, Cahill won't stay fit for the whole season, and building a team around him is foolish IMO.

 

[scottishtoffee]

Yeah, and Barry apparently is going to RS. I used to like him but if he's that idiotic to join such a scum of a club ...

Anyway regarding the whole 4-5-1 system, I really like to see us adopt a more standard 4-4-2 and have the 4-5-1 option, instead of the other way round, because most likely, Cahill won't stay fit for the whole season, and building a team around him is foolish IMO.

who would you bring in/ play in the 4-4-2?

imo Cahill and Carsley cant play this ( unless we play in a diamond formation), so we would need to bring in a few midfeilders (imo we need four whatever we do) and i also think we would need another striker.

 

[Hibbertle]

who would you bring in/ play in the 4-4-2?

imo Cahill and Carsley cant play this ( unless we play in a diamond formation), so we would need to bring in a few midfeilders (imo we need four whatever we do) and i also think we would need another striker.

In the 4-4-2, we will need two quality wingers. We already have Pienar so we just need to get in a quality winger on the other side.

And in the middle a partnership of Arteta and Neville wouldn't be that shabby now would it? Of course that is if Arteta stays ...