(Another) Teachers strike

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If the government stopped trying to [Poor language removed] them then they wouldn't strike mate.

Is right. I don't like striking. It does no favours for the kids (but then neither do teacher shortages - which will inevitably return after pay and conditions are eroded by Gove and co - or a demoralised workforce) and I lose a day's pay.

Support the strike.
 
Fair enough mate, there'll be varying views on it so I respect them.

I know that I wouldn't let anyone [Poor language removed] with me pension like that, it's contractual and has tipped many over the edge after a couple of years of negative change in their job. They do an excellent job whether the taxpayer or private sector pays for them. The average taxpayer is a hyperbole spouting loony with a poor understanding of basic economics as twitter and facebook continually prove.

The tories are to blame here.

Yawn

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1531448/Browns-raid-on-pensions-costs-Britain-100-billion.html#
 
As teachers are going to be charged with care of my kids for more time than I am during their formative years I want them to be happy in their work, personally, which probably means giving them what they signed up for when they decided to teach.
 
In answer to the question why are they striking I would propose another question – what other option do they have? The government’s position is that Teacher’s pensions are unaffordable and hence the enforced changes to the contributions. I use the word enforced deliberately because there has been no negotiation. If there are no discussions, no negotiations what else can teachers do? The Teacher’s pension scheme is currently in a huge surplus, one of the reasons for this is that teachers, as a profession, have one of the shortest life spans after retirement. Perhaps Teacher’s pensions are unaffordable; excuse my cynicism but I’d prefer to see some proof of that rather than take the government’s word for it.

I can understand the view that it’s unfair that education authorities contribute to teacher’s pensions, but then they are the teachers’ employers. Perhaps what’s really unfair is that private sector employers don’t contribute to their employees pensions to the same (if any) extent. Reading through this thread, the government seems to have spun their case expertly. Instead of questioning why private sector pensions are so poor (thanks to the policies of successive governments, Labour and Conservative) and what can be done to improve them, those with good pensions are pilloried. If my house is a wreck, should I try to fix it up or should I wreck the houses of everybody else? The population is aging, you cannot live on a state pension; getting rid of the few good schemes we have hardly seems to be planning for the future. What do you suppose will be done with the money saved by not contributing to teacher’s pensions? I doubt it will be used to help alleviate the forthcoming pensions crisis.

There seem to be an awful lot of experts on what makes a good teacher in this thread, including some people who I would normally consider to be reasonable posters. For those of you claiming that most teachers are awful; what experience and skills and knowledge do you have (other than having been to school) that enables you to make this judgement? Would you be so keen to make your sweeping generalizations about other professions in which you have never worked? PGCE and other initial teacher training courses may currently be massively oversubscribed; that always happens in times of recession. Have a look how many of those who qualify are still employed as teachers five years later and think about why that might be?
 
So who's in the wrong... the teachers ? The government ? the tax payer ?


I'm not very clued up on politics to be honest but my limited knowledge has me understanding that everybody who earns over 40k a year and is pretty privelaged to be honest are Tories who don't like to have to pay more taxes ........ and the rest of us who get screwed financially every day of our working lives are Labour........................ is that right ??
 
So who's in the wrong... the teachers ? The government ? the tax payer ?


I'm not very clued up on politics to be honest but my limited knowledge has me understanding that everybody who earns over 40k a year and is pretty privelaged to be honest are Tories who don't like to have to pay more taxes ........ and the rest of us who get screwed financially every day of our working lives are Labour........................ is that right ??

Filthy propaganda. I voted SNP.
 
In answer to the question why are they striking I would propose another question – what other option do they have? The government’s position is that Teacher’s pensions are unaffordable and hence the enforced changes to the contributions. I use the word enforced deliberately because there has been no negotiation. If there are no discussions, no negotiations what else can teachers do? The Teacher’s pension scheme is currently in a huge surplus, one of the reasons for this is that teachers, as a profession, have one of the shortest life spans after retirement. Perhaps Teacher’s pensions are unaffordable; excuse my cynicism but I’d prefer to see some proof of that rather than take the government’s word for it.

I can understand the view that it’s unfair that education authorities contribute to teacher’s pensions, but then they are the teachers’ employers. Perhaps what’s really unfair is that private sector employers don’t contribute to their employees pensions to the same (if any) extent. Reading through this thread, the government seems to have spun their case expertly. Instead of questioning why private sector pensions are so poor (thanks to the policies of successive governments, Labour and Conservative) and what can be done to improve them, those with good pensions are pilloried. If my house is a wreck, should I try to fix it up or should I wreck the houses of everybody else? The population is aging, you cannot live on a state pension; getting rid of the few good schemes we have hardly seems to be planning for the future. What do you suppose will be done with the money saved by not contributing to teacher’s pensions? I doubt it will be used to help alleviate the forthcoming pensions crisis.

There seem to be an awful lot of experts on what makes a good teacher in this thread, including some people who I would normally consider to be reasonable posters. For those of you claiming that most teachers are awful; what experience and skills and knowledge do you have (other than having been to school) that enables you to make this judgement? Would you be so keen to make your sweeping generalizations about other professions in which you have never worked? PGCE and other initial teacher training courses may currently be massively oversubscribed; that always happens in times of recession. Have a look how many of those who qualify are still employed as teachers five years later and think about why that might be?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8185919/UK-schools-fall-behind-Estonia-and-Slovenia-says-OECD.html
 
I'm not sure what point your making here mate. As we all know, there are lies, damned lies and then there are statistics.

The evidence supports the statistics, however it doesn't give any conclusion as to why British education is lagging behind most of Europe. In the countries that score highly in the OECD tables, teaching is considered a good profession, it's highly respected and better paid than in the UK, with teaching courses being as competitive as law and medicine. The issue is probably how teachers are seen in British culture, rather than an issue with the teachers themselves.
 
Damning statistics I would say.

You can say anything with statistics mate, and you are not comparing like with like when you compare countries. Different socio economic structures for one thing. In terms of bridging the economic gap, our schools are the best in the world. The other thing i would say is that it isn't just the influence of teachers that affect the outcomes for the children. If teachers were allowed to get on and teach then their influence would be greater but have a look at how many 'new initiatives' for education were proposed by New Labour during their tenure and how many times the inspection framework for schools has changed since the coalition came to power. Schools cannot ignore these things because they are judged upon them, yet they keep changing what the criteria are.

Schools have to teach to the requirements of the national curriculum, it is the law, yet this document is now 23 years old. The best education systems seem to have two things in common: firstly they teach skills rather than knowledge, but our curriculum is knowledge based; secondly they are collaborative, not competitive (see league tables, academies etc). If you want to improve the education system, these two things need to be changed.
 
The evidence supports the statistics, however it doesn't give any conclusion as to why British education is lagging behind most of Europe. In the countries that score highly in the OECD tables, teaching is considered a good profession, it's highly respected and better paid than in the UK, with teaching courses being as competitive as law and medicine. The issue is probably how teachers are seen in British culture, rather than an issue with the teachers themselves.

You only have to read through this thread to see what people think about teachers. A shame really, and it's not deserved. Sure, there are bad teachers and historically it's been far too difficult to get rid of them, but you get bad employees in any profession.
 
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