Absolute Scum Part 2.

[GrandOldTeam]

more of a deterrent than the butlins type holiday camps they get sent to now that get passed off as prisons.

sky tv, playstations, free gym, varied and healthy diet, education.

soft touch britain.

Soft touch Britain?

Media Britain if you ask me - with them false pretenses stemming from the Bulger case.

I have went to a YOI and there definitely isn't any of that.

A gym yes - and education is essential otherwise the whole prison service would be floored in that the whole purpose of rehabilitation would go out the window?

 

[monty]

- And as for the people calling for the death penalty as a deterrent. C'mon lads? are you serious?

You honestly think such crime would be less likely to happen if we had a death penalty?

To such scum, it isn't any more of a deterrent than life in prison.

America is a prime example for that. Quick example...

The amount of research and studies into crime deterrence that I have read don't support the death penalty as a deterrent at all.

Having been anti death penalty all my life, argued like hell against the likes of Suits everything that I respect in society is being eroded, respect for your fellow man does not exist at some levels of our populace, they don't give a [Poor language removed] about any goody goody approach. Kids running round shooting each other and innocents because they have no fear of authority or its ability to do anything about their attitude or actions. The key word is fear, N Ireland none paramilitary crime rate plummeted during the troubles because those infringing certain principles were dealt with arbitrarily. Authority in this country has castrated itself as no one is allowed to remonstrate with the young. In my time I was often caned, got a thick ear off local coppers but I have never ever been in trouble as an adult because I hope I respect people and things. The bottom line is that unless we reintroduce fear as an attachment to punishment we will only get worse so lets start at the top and swing one or two of them and see how that goes hey

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Mont don't let the media ruin your respect for society.

Have you ever watched a football match and read a match report that gave the impression of a completely different game?

Sure you have, I think of society like that - with the media as the journalist.

The death penalty shouldn't be viewed as a deterrent. Just a punishment.

 

[monty]

Mont don't let the media ruin your respect for society.

Have you ever watched a football match and read a match report that gave the impression of a completely different game?

Sure you have, I think of society like that - with the media as the journalist.

The death penalty shouldn't be viewed as a deterrent. Just a punishment.

Danny, you should know me far better than that, I argued against the media on this subject for years. I hate saying this but your comment concerning the death penalty not being viewed as a deterrent is a tad glib mate. I recall times when people were sent to the scaffold, Albert Peirpoint became a grisly celeb (he was the main hangman) the nation shuddered, some of these cretinous [Poor language removed] bags need that type of fright and some of them need to feel a length of rope for the atrocities being carried out these days.

 

[SuitsBlue]

if someone is raped or murderer, its going to be difficult to spin that in any other way.

i personally guarantee that once a hardened violent criminal is executed, he or she will never offend again.

can anyone personally guarantee that 'holiday inn' prisons where full sentences aren't served and its basically a doss that such a supposed punishment will stop reoffence?

 

[SuitsBlue]

Danny, you should know me far better than that, I argued against the media on this subject for years. I hate saying this but your comment concerning the death penalty not being viewed as a deterrent is a tad glib mate. I recall times when people were sent to the scaffold, Albert Peirpoint became a grisly celeb (he was the main hangman) the nation shuddered, some of these cretinous [Poor language removed] bags need that type of fright and some of them need to feel a length of rope for the atrocities being carried out these days.

make the punishment fit the crime.

no argument here.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I hate saying this but your comment concerning the death penalty not being viewed as a deterrent is a tad glib mate.

Well why is ALL type of violent crime much, much higher in America? :huh: Figures show you are 35x more likely to be shot dead in America than you are here.

People who commit crimes worthy of a death sentence don't think of what punishment they might get should they be caught.

In saying this, I am in favour of the death penalty - but not in the way America do it. Complete waste of potential research on cancer/aids etc and organs.

But thinking the death penalty would reduce murders etc is not true.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

More food for thought.

10 of the 12 states without capital punishment have homicide rates below the national average, Federal Bureau of Investigation data shows, while half the states with the death penalty have homicide rates above the national average. In a state-by- state analysis, The Times found that during the last 20 years, the homicide rate in states with the death penalty has been 48 percent to 101 percent higher than in states without the death penalty.

The death penalty should never be implemented primarily as a deterrent, because it isn't.

 

[SuitsBlue]

Well why is ALL type of violent crime much, much higher in America? :huh: Figures show you are 35x more likely to be shot dead in America than you are here.

might i suggest the sheer volume of drugs and guns on the streets of america coupled with a population that far exceeds that of britain (lets not forget numerous law agencies and i suspect a larger budget aiding in detection) then the figures can be spun to make sense.

People who commit crimes worthy of a death sentence don't think of what punishment they might get should they be caught.

and that is why they are dangerous, and that is why they need removing from society before they can do more damage.

In saying this, I am in favour of the death penalty - but not in the way America do it. Complete waste of potential research on cancer/aids etc and organs.

agreed, at least their removal from society can provide a chance at life for someone law abiding waiting on the donor list.

But thinking the death penalty would reduce murders etc is not true.

what are the numbers regarding reoffender rates by previously convicted murderers/rapids/paedo's ?

its not a nice topic/subject, but it needs facing.

 

[monty]

Well why is ALL type of violent crime much, much higher in America? :huh:

People who commit crimes worthy of a death sentence don't think of what punishment they might get should they be caught.

In saying this, I am in favour of the death penalty - but not in the way America do it. Complete waste of potential research on cancer/aids etc and organs.

But thinking the death penalty would reduce murders etc is not true.

That is what I have always thought but try telling that to Rhys parents. They are suffering day by day because the local community are frightened by thugs, frightened to come forward and tell the truth of what went on, that is a cancer in society when [Poor language removed] have more power than society itself, we have to stop this and stop it now. Fear needs defeating, the only way is to terrorise those creating the fear and eradicate them, they know no other language. It used to be true that the underworld, as it used to be called, grassed on individuals breaking certain codes, these days they should be called the overworld as they rule the roost and don't give a sod for anything or anyone.

 

[SuitsBlue]

More food for thought.

The death penalty should never be implemented primarily as a deterrent, because it isn't.

perhaps the specifics of the respective states need analysing there.
population of the state, number of ghettos in the state, percentage of populous living below the poverty line, respective communities and the gang culture in each, budget for policing and imprisonment.

like i said earlier, its easy to spin things to make a point.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

might i suggest the sheer volume of drugs and guns on the streets of america coupled with a population that far exceeds that of britain (lets not forget numerous law agencies and i suspect a larger budget aiding in detection) then the figures can be spun to make sense.

Population is taken into account Suits, its worked out 'per 1000' of the population.

Also - taking anomaly such as culture out of the equation, as I said earlier

10 of the 12 states without capital punishment have homicide rates below the national average, Federal Bureau of Investigation data shows, while half the states with the death penalty have homicide rates above the national average. In a state-by- state analysis, The Times found that during the last 20 years, the homicide rate in states with the death penalty has been 48 percent to 101 percent higher than in states without the death penalty.

I used to think the same as you - but facts and figures heavily side on the death penalty not being the deterrent that it should.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

perhaps the specifics of the respective states need analysing there.
population of the state, number of ghettos in the state, percentage of populous living below the poverty line, respective communities and the gang culture in each, budget for policing and imprisonment.

like i said earlier, its easy to spin things to make a point.

You can nitpick figures all the time, theres no such thing as the perfect research.

But they are official figures so they are as good as you can find and they do give a very good indication.

 

[TX Bill]

So you are petty. Narrow minded. And downright offensive in your accusations towards someone who doesn't share your point of view.

I tried i really did but its just downright impossible to have a decent discussion with you mate. Its not the first time you have done this to me or others on here so i just give up.

Half the time i honestly dont know if you are a wind up or you really are this annoying for real.

Goodbye Mr Pineapple Ass.

Now I'd put THAT on pizza.

 

[chicoazul]

On an completely unrelated point:

Does anyone else watch the Baltimore based police drama 'The Wire' and find a marvellous TV drama.