Absolute Scum Part 2.

[Seamus Colemole]

That all maybe true but consider this.

The criminal that you've executed, you've insured that he or she will never kill again.

Living in Texas, the death penalty is applied here quite a bit. You might be surprised at what you might think would qualify (in your own mind) for the death penalty and what wouldn't.

And that is very true also, i wont even attempt to deny that.

But then you get in to the moral argument of whether it should be acceptable for a state* to murder its citizens in an attempt to say that murder (and other crimes) are wrong. But thats heading in a different direction so.........

You can either execute or you can lock up inside a very very secure prison for the rest of their life. No parole, no televisions, no 3 course meals and what not. Soiltary confinement etc etc.

Chances of escape are very very minimal. Better policing out of the prison so if escpae did happen recapture would likely take place in a short amount of time.So chances of re-offending are slim, very slim but yeah still possible.

But this way any mistake can be corrected, the person can get their life back. A dead one cannot. The risk of re-offending is so small and less than the risk of wrongful conviction.

Go on, surprise me about what does qualify for the death penalty over there, you're right i'd assume its the usual murder/rape etc etc.









*hey suits i'm off to hug a tree

 

[zero]

When there is absolutely undenialable evidence that these scumbags hunted down an innocent man chasing him for 2 miles then beating him to death stripping him naked and taking a photo with him all for the sake of £5 then why should they be allowed to intograte back into society when their jail time is up.

These three monsters deserve the death penalty I have never heard such a vicious attack before atleast the victim's family will feel that justice has been served if it was a member of your family that it was done to I bet you'd move mountains to kill the little bastards.

Why should we stand in the way of justice?

 

[SuitsBlue]

And also while not "proof" here is something to think about as to why it doesn't work :

"People murder for a variety of reasons and under many different situations e.g.:
during domestic disputes, when passions are inflamed.
under the influence of alcohol or other drugs, when the perpetrator is not in rational control.
hit-men doing contract killings; they typically never expect to be arrested.
psychopaths and other mentally ill individuals who have little regard for human life and who are unable to accept responsibility for their actions
self-destructive individuals who believe that they deserve to die and want to be arrested and executed.
brain-damaged individuals, who experience periods of rage, and occasionally kill.

With the exception of professional hit-men, very few people are in a rational frame of mind when they kill others. It may be hopeless to expect any form of punishment to act as a deterrent."

Admittedly that came from a religous website i found while searching but its relevant none the less because i have the read the same in numerous books.

I'd suggest very very few serious crimes of which the death penalty would apply are committed(or not committed) after the offender weighs up the pros and cons the death penalty vs life imprisonment.

surely thats the point, someone capable of mindless killing is a danger.

taking drugs or high on passion? can happen again and again - once proven to have mindlessly killed, surely that person is a danger.

''rational control'' - if a person proves they are capable of losing rational control once, they have it in them to lose it again. hence:- a danger.

psychopaths i'd treat like rabid dogs - incurable, put them down.

the mentally ill on the other hand in some cases can be cured, surely in such cases warning signs need to be recognised so that a mentally ill individual can be helped before they commit serious crime. same for brain damaged individuals.

self destructive individuals like you mentioned are very dangerous, because they willfully and rationally decide to kill.


But this is gold...

"its relevant none the less because i have the read the same in numerous books."

i have 100, no 100 million books that say the earth is flat.

does it make it fact?

as for the onus of proof, google roy whiting. her death, your tab, your conscience.

 

[SuitsBlue]

And that is very true also, i wont even attempt to deny that.

But then you get in to the moral argument of whether it should be acceptable for a state* to murder its citizens in an attempt to say that murder (and other crimes) are wrong. But thats heading in a different direction so.........

You can either execute or you can lock up inside a very very secure prison for the rest of their life. No parole, no televisions, no 3 course meals and what not. Soiltary confinement etc etc.

Chances of escape are very very minimal. Better policing out of the prison so if escpae did happen recapture would likely take place in a short amount of time.So chances of re-offending are slim, very slim but yeah still possible.

But this way any mistake can be corrected, the person can get their life back. A dead one cannot. The risk of re-offending is so small and less than the risk of wrongful conviction.

Go on, surprise me about what does qualify for the death penalty over there, you're right i'd assume its the usual murder/rape etc etc.


*hey suits i'm off to hug a tree

I can only honestly fully back state execution when the evidence is so massive, that reasonable doubt is a long distant possibility. DNA, eye witnesses, cctv, previous history, motive, even admission.

i agree there is no room for error.

 

[TX Bill]

It wouldn't surprise you Death.

Capital murder offenses (i.e. killing of a peace officer), the most vicious crimes as you mentioned like murder (pre-meditated), serial killing, mass killing, etc.... I'm sure you get the picture.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

But this is gold...

"its relevant none the less because i have the read the same in numerous books."

i have 100, no 100 million books that say the earth is flat.

does it make it fact?

as for the onus of proof, google roy whiting. her death, your tab, your conscience.

You misunderstood. I wasn't trying to suggest it was a fact because i'd read it so therefor it must be.

I was stating that while i have read the same thing said in many many books on the subject of murder from numerous independant respected authors that particular quote was taken from a religious website. I was offering up my source before i was asked where i got that quote from because a religous website isn't the greatest one to be taking quotes from.

What is it with you and my conscience? I know exactly who Roy Whiting is and i fail to see what he has to do with this argument or my conscience.

Unless you are seriously trying to say that I personally am in some way responsible for Sarah Paynes death? I'm sure you're not really are you so please tell me what you mean.

I can only honestly fully back state execution when the evidence is so massive, that reasonable doubt is a long distant possibility. DNA, eye witnesses, cctv, previous history, motive, even admission.

Then i dont expect to change your opinion. I can only put forth my opinion and reasoning and try to show you why i think you are wrong,and hope you respect that. Although you will probably still call me a hippie and a leftie liberal or whatever and waffle on about my conscience.

 

[SuitsBlue]

you were doing so well (imo) until that last paragraph.

whiting was a pedderass that should have been put down first time round.

that he wasnt meant he was able to prey on sarah.

see the reasoning now?

same with gadd, pedderass, abused kids, alleged rape, served a token amount of time, pissed off to thailand, molested and raped young girls there.

rule britannia indeed.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

you were doing so well (imo) until that last paragraph.

whiting was a pedderass that should have been put down first time round.

that he wasnt meant he was able to prey on sarah.

see the reasoning now?

same with gadd, pedderass, abused kids, alleged rape, served a token amount of time, pissed off to thailand, molested and raped young girls there.

rule britannia indeed.

Again, where does my conscience come in to this? And why should Sarah Paynes death be on it?

Because Roy Whiting would not of killed her if he was securely locked up would he? If he hadn't of been released after an earlier sexual attack on a minor.

 

[SuitsBlue]

the hippies scream human rights, the lawyers bargain such atrocities back onto the street into society.

had he been put down first time, he wouldn't have been capable of killing sarah.

his crime, his enablement, her death, i lay at you and your kinds door.

needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

 

[monty]

Again, where does my conscience come in to this? And why should Sarah Paynes death be on it?

Because Roy Whiting would not of killed her if he was securely locked up would he? If he hadn't of been released after an earlier sexual attack on a minor.

DBRAG like you I have been dead set against the death penalty all my life, state execution being barbaric. As more and incidents arise where innocent victims have there lives wasted, Rhys Jones being one that springs to mind, I have weighed up the possibility of some innocent individuals being sentenced to death as being far lower now than ever it was it must now be worthy of consideration to reintroduce the ultimate sentence. the level of gun crime is rising exponentially, thugs don't give a [Poor language removed], police matching fire with fire, it was never like that when we had the death penalty.

For the few innocent individuals that may perish by state execution substantially more would be saved from death by thugs and murders as they are all basically cowards. The death penalty must be properly considered as I am sure that an ever increasing majority would vote in favour of its reinstatement

 

[Seamus Colemole]

the hippies scream human rights, the lawyers bargain such atrocities back onto the street into society.

had he been put down first time, he wouldn't have been capable of killing sarah.

his crime, his enablement, her death, i lay at you and your kinds door.

needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Had he been securely locked up in prison he would not of been capable of killing Sarah. Tell me how that statement is wrong.

What is my kind then? Other than someone who favours secure life imprisonment over death (a point you seem to love ignoring) what is my kind?

 

[SuitsBlue]

Had he been securely locked up in prison he would not of been capable of killing Sarah. Tell me how that statement is wrong.

What is my kind then? Other than someone who favours secure life imprisonment over death (a point you seem to love ignoring) what is my kind?

the enablers. those that go out of there way to see the best in violent criminals. those so detached from real life that serious crime is always something that happens to someone else. the selfish.

the hippies that focus on the human rights of murderers, rapists and paedophiles. - that have no regard for the victims in each case.

you want to keep someone locked up forever, you pay, you personally and solely.

me, i prefer to raise the standard of living for the children and pensioners that live below the poverty line than to keep the likes of whiting and hindley and west in comparative luxury.

its a dirty word today, but 'responsibility' has to be reestablished.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

DBRAG like you I have been dead set against the death penalty all my life, state execution being barbaric. As more and incidents arise where innocent victims have there lives wasted, Rhys Jones being one that springs to mind, I have weighed up the possibility of some innocent individuals being sentenced to death as being far lower now than ever it was it must now be worthy of consideration to reintroduce the ultimate sentence. the level of gun crime is rising exponentially, thugs don't give a [Poor language removed], police matching fire with fire, it was never like that when we had the death penalty.

For the few innocent individuals that may perish by state execution substantially more would be saved from death by thugs and murders as they are all basically cowards. The death penalty must be properly considered as I am sure that an ever increasing majority would vote in favour of its reinstatement

Surely you can see that that is all due to a much bigger problem with society as a whole?

Do you honestly think re intoducing the death penalty will cure all that?

This country is [Poor language removed] for many reasons. But i'd say lack of death penalty is not one of them.

Look at American states which have it compared to those that dont. Is there a huge reduction in serious crime in the states with compared to those without?

We need better policing. We needer stronger sentences. There is a problem in this country with crime. But the death penalty is not a quick fix solution that will solve any of that.

 

[SuitsBlue]

'any of that'

certainly put a dint in the reoffender rate.

 

[Piijt]

[Poor language removed] lawyers, do-gooders etc have destroyed this country. There are no moral values left and society is in meltdown and no solution in sight. Our grandparents never had to lock a door, look at the place now.
[Poor language removed] this, it's not where I want to retire to.