Absolute Scum Part 2.

[zero]

Gang get life for '£5 bet' murder

A man and two youths who kicked a disabled man to death over a £5 bet have been jailed for life.

they stripped him and took photos with him and one of them said they're not going down for that muppet.

Absolute [Poor language removed] filth hang the lot of them.

 

[monty]

This is not the country I wanted, it is not the country anyone wanted, the law earns no respect so is ignored and morons rule. I have always been against the death penalty, may be I was wrong, fewer innocent lives would be lost thus it would be a lighter cost for our society to meet than see scum perform like this.

 

[Vim Fuego]

I'm lost for words !

 

[SuitsBlue]

someone mentioned the death penalty

where are the hippies? crying about 'state murder'?

to all the hippy ultras, this is your country, this disabled mans death on your conscience.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

someone mentioned the death penalty

where are the hippies? crying about 'state murder'?

to all the hippy ultras, this is your country, this disabled mans death on your conscience.

Show me proof the death penalty acts as a deterrant.

You do that and i'll start wearing flowers in my [Poor language removed] hair.

 

[heatmeiser]

I don't really care if it's a deterrent or not. Just don't see why scum like that should get anything less.

 

[Cal]

Let's bring back the death penalty.

 

[SuitsBlue]

Show me proof the death penalty acts as a deterrant.

You do that and i'll start wearing flowers in my [Poor language removed] hair.

it doesnt it is a deterrent.

and you show me it isn't a deterrent in some parts and i'll buy a VW camper and break out the tye dye.

 

[TX Bill]

Show me proof the death penalty acts as a deterrant.

You do that and i'll start wearing flowers in my [Poor language removed] hair.

Show me proof that it doesn't.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

it doesnt it is a deterrent.

and you show me it isn't a deterrent in some parts and i'll buy a VW camper and break out the tye dye.

First google result is this :
NCADP


Forget the campervan and tye dye, please show me proof (or even anything which help supports the theory that the death penalty is a deterrent to violent crime).

 

[TX Bill]

I said I wanted the same thing you did, PROOF.

I didn't ask for any number of links to anti death penalty sites.

If we wanted to go that route, I'd have given you several links to pro-death penalty websites that I'm sure do more than an adequate job of contradicting the site you've linked.

So, where does that leave us? Back to my question of show me proof that it doesn't deter crime.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

I said I wanted the same thing you did, PROOF.

I didn't ask for any number of links to anti death penalty sites.

If we wanted to go that route, I'd have given you several links to pro-death penalty websites that I'm sure do more than an adequate job of contradicting the site you've linked.

So, where does that leave us? Back to my question of show me proof that it doesn't deter crime.

Ok fine, you got me. I cannot prove that the death penalty has not at any given time stopped at least 1 person from commiting a crime.

You dont have a death penalty when their is no proof it actually works just because you cant prove it doesn't though do you?

Well obviously some places do but you get my point i hope. In order to have something as important and serious as this in this country i'd like to think there was a valid genuine reason for it with facts and proof to back it up rather than emotion.

But i'm not the one calling for it to be abolished. People in this thread are calling for it to be instated. I simply ask for evidence that it does what its supposed to do, act as a deterrent and a punishment. And so far i havent seen any.



The onus is on you.

 

[TX Bill]

Well no, the onus isn't on me...

...and...

I also happen to agree with you.

This is one of those subjects in my opinion where both sides of the argument have points that should be considered. Just for the record, I'm for the death penalty but submit that one of the most compelling reasons for the potential abolition of the death penalty is the thought of an innocent person being executed.

With the advent of DNA testing, there have been a few on death row who've been exonerated through DNA evidence, evidence that wasn't available to the prosecutor and the defense at the time since technology hadn't advanced to where it is today.

I think the thought of an innocent person, no matter where you fall on the issue, would be disconcerting to even the most hardened person.

But rest assured that the debate will continue on, not just in this matter, but gun control, abortion, all of the hot button issues of the day.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

And also while not "proof" here is something to think about as to why it doesn't work :

"People murder for a variety of reasons and under many different situations e.g.:
during domestic disputes, when passions are inflamed.
under the influence of alcohol or other drugs, when the perpetrator is not in rational control.
hit-men doing contract killings; they typically never expect to be arrested.
psychopaths and other mentally ill individuals who have little regard for human life and who are unable to accept responsibility for their actions
self-destructive individuals who believe that they deserve to die and want to be arrested and executed.
brain-damaged individuals, who experience periods of rage, and occasionally kill.

With the exception of professional hit-men, very few people are in a rational frame of mind when they kill others. It may be hopeless to expect any form of punishment to act as a deterrent."

Admittedly that came from a religous website i found while searching but its relevant none the less because i have the read the same in numerous books.

I'd suggest very very few serious crimes of which the death penalty would apply are committed(or not committed) after the offender weighs up the pros and cons the death penalty vs life imprisonment.

 

[TX Bill]

That all maybe true but consider this.

The criminal that you've executed, you've insured that he or she will never kill again.

Living in Texas, the death penalty is applied here quite a bit. You might be surprised at what you might think would qualify (in your own mind) for the death penalty and what wouldn't.