6 + 2 Point Deductions

Does anyone know why the PL have not said when City`s hearing is to go ahead? They confirmed they have set a date but when asked said they were unable to make the date public. They seemed to be able to let people know when our the date for our hearing when it was set, and that they wanted us to get a point deduction, well before we were found guilty.
 

Does anyone know why the PL have not said when City`s hearing is to go ahead? They confirmed they have set a date but when asked said they were unable to make the date public. They seemed to be able to let people know when our the date for our hearing when it was set, and that they wanted us to get a point deduction, well before we were found guilty.
They'll inform us when the Emir is ready to tell Masters.
 


The replies to that are quite telling. Saying that we've cheated all the other teams and deserve our punishment. What they don't understand is that this is all almost exclusively to do with stadium spend. If looking at player trading, which is what gives on field advantage, we are in the lower reaches of the league. We are 10th for wage bill, which when considered that we are ever presents in the PL, is hardly surprising.
 
The replies to that are quite telling. Saying that we've cheated all the other teams and deserve our punishment. What they don't understand is that this is all almost exclusively to do with stadium spend. If looking at player trading, which is what gives on field advantage, we are in the lower reaches of the league. We are 10th for wage bill, which when considered that we are ever presents in the PL, is hardly surprising.
Yes, but we are a small club like Luton Town. We SHOULD be in the same bracket for spending.
 
Does anyone know why the PL have not said when City`s hearing is to go ahead? They confirmed they have set a date but when asked said they were unable to make the date public. They seemed to be able to let people know when our the date for our hearing when it was set, and that they wanted us to get a point deduction, well before we were found guilty.
So that they can kick the can down the road for as many years as they want so as when they do eventually deal with it the rule changes will be more favourable to them. Sounds conspiratorial i know but i mean what other conclusions can you draw from it. You could say it is because of City's lawyers but that ultimately leads to the same conclusion.

The whole thing is absolutely outrageous when you consider what they have been doing to us. There should be legal action against them.
 

The replies to that are quite telling. Saying that we've cheated all the other teams and deserve our punishment. What they don't understand is that this is all almost exclusively to do with stadium spend. If looking at player trading, which is what gives on field advantage, we are in the lower reaches of the league. We are 10th for wage bill, which when considered that we are ever presents in the PL, is hardly surprising.
Basically from what I can understand, the clowns in the Boardroom wanted to present the stadium as debt free, so all loans taken out were declared for working capital and not the stadium. If they'd not done that then we wouldn't be in breach of the limits.
 
They all have. The initial narrative was how much of an injustice the punishment was, but they’ve since been told which side their bread is buttered, and been told to place all blame onto the club and not highlight the failings of the process.
He’s doubling down on it today - completely changed his stance, the gobshite shill.

It’s all about how bad our owners were and we’ve broke the rules - nothing to do with the broken, rigged process we’ve been forced through.
 
Basically from what I can understand, the clowns in the Boardroom wanted to present the stadium as debt free, so all loans taken out were declared for working capital and not the stadium. If they'd not done that then we wouldn't be in breach of the limits.

We were looking for stadium funding for ages, but never got it. It's much more difficult to lend against unknown returns, certainly in teh environement immediately post covid and during the Ukraine war. A company is much more likely to loan money against known (and possibly increasing due to the same global pandemic) value of TV money rather than against a stadium that may never get used to public events. Therefore we continued to use Moshiris money for the stadium and put loans into working capital to offset that.

That's how I understand it anyway. We need to keep consideration of what world these decisions were made in.
 
The club is in a mess because of Moshiri and the board (which has left). They should be the ones being blamed and getting punished. Not the club/fans. So he is right.

Your post goes from having a go at Carragher for blaming Moshiri/board, to then complaining that it’s fine for Chelsea to blame their previous owners and get away with no punishment as a club/fan base but not for us. If he is blaming the owner/board, then surely you are in agreement?

I’m no Carragher fan but he has spoken about the injustice of the points deduction several times.
Not sure you’ve got my point.

The fanbase have been on at the board for a long long time and in fact the board wouldn’t show up last season to avoid the fans under the blag that it was due to their safety.

The point is, he is in a privileged position as part of a media machine that influences thinking of other fans and those in the game so to say fans should direct their anger at a board that has in the majority nothing more to do with the club is disingenuous. What his tweet doesn’t say is anything towards the situation the PL has put the club in itself through the poor application and consistency of penalties which risks the clubs solvency. We have enough issues as it is with keeping solvent without the PL acting in a way that expedites administration.

Either carra covers the whole situation from a balanced perspective or he should say nothing at all. I’d rather former blues with an educated view of the situation coming out in the media rather than an ex RS any day of the week.
 
There is a lot of talk about the media, let's be honest they are biased, why? because the 'Big 6' is where the money lies for them. The Big 6 are a separate and protected entity compared to the rest of the league. The remaining 14 teams are disposable and there is no provision for them, for example there is no competition anymore, the only way to resolve that is levelling the playing field by giving the other 14 a financial allowance to match those or even more than those that qualify for Europe. If a team is able to prove that they have safe financial backing then they could or should be allowed to spend an addition £100m (randomly chosen figure) more than those in the European places. Thus giving the other 14 an increased chance of a better competition. But what do I know I am just a lowly fan of a small club.
 

We were looking for stadium funding for ages, but never got it. It's much more difficult to lend against unknown returns, certainly in teh environement immediately post covid and during the Ukraine war. A company is much more likely to loan money against known (and possibly increasing due to the same global pandemic) value of TV money rather than against a stadium that may never get used to public events. Therefore we continued to use Moshiris money for the stadium and put loans into working capital to offset that.

That's how I understand it anyway. We need to keep consideration of what world these decisions were made in.

That's it mate. We tried to claim the 19.5 mill interest on the loan we used for working capital was a stadium expense and could be written off and the commission found against us.
 
well i'll start with united because they are the easiest, lets look at the last say 10 years since this FFP thing was introduced

these are off the top off my head so could be more

Pogba- Big fee left on a free
Martial- Big fee about to leave on a free
Sanchez- Big fee left on a free
Matic- Big fee left on a free
Bailly- Big fee left on a free
Mata- Big fee left on a free
Fellaini- Big fee left on a free
Rojo- Big fee left on a free
Herrera Big fee left on a free
Schweinsteigher- not a massive fee but he was on about 300 bags a week
darmian- big fee left on a free

then you add in players who signed for big fees and left for A LOT less, lets say Fred? must have lost about 50m on him, maguire they are going to lose about 70+ on him, sanho the same?, depay? sure they lost a lot on him, that mykatarian feller?

two wrongs dont make a right i know this, but it shows bigger teams can make more of a mess than what we have ( some how ) and get away with it because of who they are and how the FFP works.

They turn over about 600 - 700 mil a year in merchandise tho
 
The replies to that are quite telling. Saying that we've cheated all the other teams and deserve our punishment. What they don't understand is that this is all almost exclusively to do with stadium spend. If looking at player trading, which is what gives on field advantage, we are in the lower reaches of the league. We are 10th for wage bill, which when considered that we are ever presents in the PL, is hardly surprising.
It isn't to do with Stadium spending though. Even if you allow the interest for none Stadium spending to be written off as a PSR deduction we would still have failed PSR and would be facing a points deduction. Why are so many people falling for the board's lies and spin?

Why are people pretending this is a technical accounting decision? Even with Stadium interest and the transfer levy we still fail PSR, we would still get a points deduction.

The board deliberately chose not to stay within PSR to allow us to continue to spend beyond our means with the intention of giving us the best chance of staying up. The club and the fans are now suffering because of terrible decisions made by the board. Even after failing once and having from December 2022 until summer 2023 to rectify things the board still didn't make simple adjustments that would have allowed us to stay inside PSR.

The board has been arrogant and stupid. We are now facing two points penalties and are on the brink of administration because of actions taken by the board. This isn't corruption by the Premier League this is wilful ineptitude and mismanagement on a grand scale by Moshiri and his lackeys on the board.

You could just about make a case for ignoring PSR and building a quality squad that would improve income from being more successful on the pitch. Instead, Moshiri pissed away hundreds of millions of pounds, has left the club in a billion pounds of debt, with a truly terrible squad and facing down the barrel of two points deductions and near-certain administration.

Yet pointing out this renders you wide open to insults and accusations of supporting another team.

The majority of supporters on here are reminiscent of the supporters of a criminal who kept getting away with it and became more brazen. Instead of taking heed of a succession of near misses and changing course. They finally get caught and then blame those holding them to account as corrupt.

Let's be honest here the board could have easily ensured we passed PSR, especially the second time but they chose not to and are now bleating about the consequences of their actions. The initial defence was cringeworthy and reminiscent of a 8-year-olds excuses for not handing in their homework.

The club. The fans and the likes of Dyche deserve much better. However, things will never improve until we accept the failures of the board and move on. This is a disaster decades in the making and the idiots looking for scapegoats and piling in on any poster who calls it like it is deserve a huge portion of the blame.

So how about instead of throwing insults around like hand grenades and accusing posters of supporting another team how about debating the points raised. Or is it easier to post a middle finger emoji and then watch the club go under.

The club needs action now. The only chance we have is to grow up stop blaming everyone else and get rid of the Board. Not to shout corruption and pretend there is a grand conspiracy.
 

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