Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

[MrPerfectNot]

Biden is going to run again isn’t he. What a desperate state of affairs

Pragmatically, I think we need him to run again.

 

[TN Toffee]

Pragmatically, I think we need him to run again.

Agreed. Just like pragmatically, we needed him to run in 2020. He was far from my first choice then, but in retrospect, may have been the only candidate in the Democratic primary that would have beaten Trump. Looking at the field, I’m not sure a lot has changed.

 

[MrPerfectNot]

For 2020, my first two choices were Kamala Harris and then Amy Klobuchar - but when it became obvious that Joe was the guy, I fully supported him, phone banked, knocked on doors, all that stuff. And I'll do that again.

 

[Prevenger17]

Just like pragmatically, we needed him to run in 2020. He was far from my first choice then, but in retrospect, may have been the only candidate in the Democratic primary that would have beaten Trump

Not sure about that tbh, the vote was as much a vote against Trump as it was a vote for Biden

 

[EFCthechosenone]

Pragmatically, I think we need him to run again.

Awful

 

[MrPerfectNot]

Awful

Alternative?

 

[EFCthechosenone]

Alternative?

 

[MrPerfectNot]

I like Elizabeth Warren - bright, articulate, and on target - of any of the other prominent Democrats, maybe she could beat whoever the Republicans put up.

But I know that Joe Biden could and would.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Not sure about that tbh, the vote was as much a vote against Trump as it was a vote for Biden

But Biden was a moderate that anti-Trumpers that wouldn't vote for a more progressive candidate, like Warren or Sanders, would vote for.

Granted, the GOP is so toxic today that perhaps now is the time to run a progressive and still get the anyone but Trump vote, but can we really take that chance?

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I like Elizabeth Warren - bright, articulate, and on target - of any of the other prominent Democrats, maybe she could beat whoever the Republicans put up.

But I know that Joe Biden could and would.

I wanted Warren in 2020. But the narrative is already against her nationally among non-liberals. Tough to change that narrative

 

[LinekersLegs]

Unfortunately in the last primary Warren‘s support was very concentrated in college educated white voters and there seemed limited appeal outside that niche. Not sure that has changed much.

Why Elizabeth Warren is losing even as white professionals love her

Many college grads are living in the Warren bubble.

www.vox.com

 

[LinekersLegs]

Would have thought Atlanta would have been a better choice tbh

 

[EFCthechosenone]

Unfortunately in the last primary Warren‘s support was very concentrated in college educated white voters.

Why is that a bad thing?

 

[MrPerfectNot]

Why is that a bad thing?

It's not a bad thing, the question is "is that enough of a block to get her the nomination and win in the general election"?

I don't think it is.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Why is that a bad thing?

Because to win a general election it helps to have a broad appeal across lots of demographic groups. It varies by state but college educated voters are about 40% of population and, whilst an important voting bloc, Dems are already increasing their share of them.

President Biden won about 60 percent of college-educated voters in 2020, including an outright majority of white college graduates, helping him run up the score in affluent suburbs and putting him over the top in pivotal states.
This was a significant voting bloc: Overall, 41 percent of people who cast ballots last year were four-year college graduates, according to census estimates. By contrast, just 5 percent of voters in 1952 were college graduates, according to that year’s American National Elections Study.
Yet even as college graduates have surged in numbers and grown increasingly liberal, Democrats are no stronger than they were 10, 30 or even 50 years ago. Instead, rising Democratic strength among college graduates and voters of color has been counteracted by a nearly equal and opposite reaction among white voters without a degree.

When the Harvard-educated John F. Kennedy narrowly won the presidency in 1960, he won white voters without a degree but lost white college graduates by a two-to-one margin. The numbers were almost exactly reversed for Mr. Biden, who lost white voters without a degree by a two-to-one margin while winning white college graduates.

One of the reasons Clinton lost to Trump was a lack of appeal to white working class voters in the Midwest - Warren displayed similar weakness to those voters in the 2020 primary.