Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

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I guess there is a chance Vance might take over at some point later in Trumps presidency given Trunp is already in cognitive decline. Depends on if it ramps up quickly like it did for Biden.

Not sure if having a competent wrongun is better or worse than having an incompetent wrongun…
 
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If this is going where I think it is then this is prefect evidence that mankind will definitely destroy itself and probably a lot sooner than you’d think, very very depressing
 
Toffeepot said:
True. When California comes in etc. but his gains in NY even though he lost it is shocking. NY of all places. Seems like misogyny of a sort. Despite being far more qualified, far more interested in working and middle class welfare, the electorate would rather that effing guy than have a woman lead. Such a backward country in so many ways, and so forward thinking in others. The latter not for long though.

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In my opinion the Democrats lost this as they persisted with Biden 6+ months longer than they should have, it was clear to everyone he wasn't gonna make it to election night and if he did he was a lame duck.

I have my own opinion on Harris being pretty useless, but even if the people asserting she's actually super qualified etc are right (I don't believe she is - but let's say she actually is for arguments sake) then she was still left with the fact she was shoehorned in without any real challenge, and also with limited time remaining, coupled with the added fact she was the VP so couldn't believably avoid being tied to anything bad in terms of policy issues (Israel, the border, covering for a president who was in rapid decline).

A 6 month earlier shift from Biden, an open selection process - likely resulting in a different candidate and I think the Dems would have won this comfortably.

Sticking with the ticket in a sort of way allowed trump to link stuff and spout his speel he had prepared for Biden just scratching the name out and putting in Harris.

She may still win it, although it appears unlikely now, but she was the wrong choice for many reasons (and I do t buy the fact she's a woman had anything to do with it - Clinton did t lose due to that either, Obama showed in general the independents aren't voting on race or sex - hell his wife would have probably buried trump in an election as well).
 
bluestevon said:
In my opinion the Democrats lost this as they persisted with Biden 6+ months longer than they should have, it was clear to everyone he wasn't gonna make it to election night and if he did he was a lame duck.

I have my usn opinion on Harris being pretty useless, but even if the people asserting she's actually super qualified etc are right (I don't believe she is) then she was still left with the fact she was shoehorned in without any real challenge, and also with limited time remaining, coupled with the added fact she was the VP so couldn't believably avoid being tied to anything bad in terms of issues (Israel, the border, covering for a president who was in rapid decline).

A 6 month earlier shift from Biden, an open selection process - likely resulting in a different candidate and I think the Dems would have won this comfortably.

Sticking with the ticket in a sort of way allowed trump to link stuff and spout his speel he had prepared for Biden just scratching the name out and putting in Harris.

She may still win it, although it appears unlikely now, but she was the wrong choice for many reasons (and I do t buy the fact she's a woman had anything to do with it - Clinton did t lose due to that either, Obama showed in general the independents aren't voting on race or sex - hell his wife would have probably buried trump in an election as well).
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The clear dishonesty about Biden’s condition really bothers me. 6 months is generous. Really the guy should’ve stepped aside long ago. And it’s crazy to me that, although never officially stated, he’s not running because he isn’t fit anymore but is still the actual president. It’s hard to justify him not standing down entirely.
 
TheBigIguana said:
The clear dishonesty about Biden’s condition really bothers me. 6 months is generous. Really the guy should’ve stepped aside long ago. And it’s crazy to me that, although never officially stated, he’s not running because he isn’t fit anymore but is still the actual president. It’s hard to justify him not standing down entirely.
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I said also in a previous post mate, would the part have been better served by Harris stepping in at the moment they finally admitted he was no longer capable, a sitting president with no ths to show she was capable and actually already performing the duties.

Biden honestly reminds me of the way the USSR had literal walking corpses as front men - Andropov and the likes - not sure if Trump doesn't continue that link tbh either. A Gerontocracy is not what I think is good for any country.
 
Spadge Vernacular said:
Their work is complete. Joking aside, it was great to see our Russian homeboy @bluestevon back, using word spaghetti to support the orange these last couple of weeks.
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I've been clear, doesn't really matter which one won to me, US foreign policy is very very rarely driven by who is president. The State department drives it thus it'll still be a neocon agenda whoever sits in the oval office - Trump's first term/Obama/Biden nothing really changed overall.

It's been an interesting if somewhat of a surreal experience to watch though.
 
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