Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

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Biden will get nothing positive from supporting Bibi, not even influence over there - they know he cannot afford to be seen as "weak", so he has given them a blank cheque that even the GOP hardliners in the house would never have given Israel. Look at how Smotrich basically told Biden to go f himself when told to ensure the PA get paid the taxes that Israel collect.

I also don't think there is anything more inevitable, even including Hillary making an idiot of herself again, in this campaign than Bibi calling Trump something like "Israel's greatest ally" and saying October 7th would never have happened under his watch.
I despise Trump - and Americans voting for him are Nazis - but I wouldn't feel any sympathy for Biden if that happens. He's shown the West's true colours in his craven support for this far-right Israeli government at the expense of Palestinian civilians. What does he expect? Nazis like Nazis, so a Netanyahu endorsement of Trump is entirely on brand.
 
I despise Trump - and Americans voting for him are Nazis - but I wouldn't feel any sympathy for Biden if that happens. He's shown the West's true colours in his craven support for this far-right Israeli government at the expense of Palestinian civilians. What does he expect? Nazis like Nazis, so a Netanyahu endorsement of Trump is entirely on brand.
It's a tough one for Biden.
The support for Israel here is still strong. Far stronger than that for Palestine.
Support Israel and lose the young vote and risk alienating some on the far left (far left here, center left everywhere else) and on college campus's.
Support Palestine and lose a huge chunk of your moderate support and risk a massive backlash from the likes of AIPAC.
Israel could literally do anything and would still retain the support of a large chunk of moderate Democrats.
The conversation is avoided by everyone I know here.
Heads are intrenched in the sand and everyones hoping it'll just go away. That's the message from the top too!
 
It's a tough one for Biden.
The support for Israel here is still strong. Far stronger than that for Palestine.
Support Israel and lose the young vote and risk alienating some on the far left (far left here, center left everywhere else) and on college campus's.
Support Palestine and lose a huge chunk of your moderate support and risk a massive backlash from the likes of AIPAC.
Israel could literally do anything and would still retain the support of a large chunk of moderate Democrats.
The conversation is avoided by everyone I know here.
Heads are intrenched in the sand and everyones hoping it'll just go away. That's the message from the top too!
I don't doubt it. Just shows you how much Israel has the so-called "land of the free" over a barrel.

The problem, though, is that by putting domestic US considerations first - however understandably - Biden is completely weakening the US/Western position abroad. The West no longer has much credibility in its pious calls for support for Ukraine whilst abandoning the Palenstinian civilians to utter butchery. I mean, we were told it was about human right in Ukraine and we are still told the Ukrainians are "fighting for Europe's values". I mean, really? These European values don't seem to extend to stopping Israeli extremism.

Similarly, now I see talk about the US striking at Yemeni Houthis, risking a conflagration with Iran. Perhaps if the West wasn't so supine and craven on Israel, the Houthis would have less reason/excuse to behave like pirates and we could all get on board, so to speak, with eliminating any pirates who were endangering the waterways. But it's going to be hard to make the argument in the West to those paying attention that the US/UK or France or whoever escalating in the Red Sea is a good and necessary thing when part of the solution has to be to rein in the war criminal Netanyahu when there seems to be absolutely no appetite for that whatsoever.

I'm hugely disappointed with Biden. He's simply the lesser Trump. Any arguments the US might have had for a joint Western response to any Chinese invasion of Taiwan is basically up in flames well before the event even occurs. That invasion looks only a matter of time now.
 
I don't doubt it. Just shows you how much Israel has the so-called "land of the free" over a barrel.

The problem, though, is that by putting domestic US considerations first - however understandably - Biden is completely weakening the US/Western position abroad. The West no longer has much credibility in its pious calls for support for Ukraine whilst abandoning the Palenstinian civilians to utter butchery. I mean, we were told it was about human right in Ukraine and we are still told the Ukrainians are "fighting for Europe's values". I mean, really? These European values don't seem to extend to stopping Israeli extremism.

Similarly, now I see talk about the US striking at Yemeni Houthis, risking a conflagration with Iran. Perhaps if the West wasn't so supine and craven on Israel, the Houthis would have less reason/excuse to behave like pirates and we could all get on board, so to speak, with eliminating any pirates who were endangering the waterways. But it's going to be hard to make the argument in the West to those paying attention that the US/UK or France or whoever escalating in the Red Sea is a good and necessary thing when part of the solution has to be to rein in the war criminal Netanyahu when there seems to be absolutely no appetite for that whatsoever.

I'm hugely disappointed with Biden. He's simply the lesser Trump. Any arguments the US might have had for a joint Western response to any Chinese invasion of Taiwan is basically up in flames well before the event even occurs. That invasion looks only a matter of time now.
I don't agree with Bidens reaction to Gaza but I can guarantee you that pretty much any reasonable candidate for POTUS would have the exact same reaction.
It all comes down to how it plays domestically.

Wasn't much different to the relationship with Ireland pre 9/11. A blind eye was turned to fundraising for a terrorist organization on a grand scale till supporting terrorists wasn't acceptable at all. Again, it was for the Irish American base, either D or R.

As for Huthis, that'll all depend on how it affects petrol prices here.
It's an election year. Every decision will be framed with that in mind (even more so than normal).

So Biden is doing exactly what any POTUS would do, whether thats right or wrong and is NOTHING like Trump!

As for Taiwan, Xi won't want to rock the global economic boat so soon after covid.
 
I would put the likelyhood at about 95%
For Biden not to run, Trump would have to lose in Iowa and New Hampshire in the coming weeks as well as having court rulings go against him quickly.
And even then, I don't see Biden stepping out.
IMO that likelihood is 100% unless he dies or is somehow incapacitated between now and Election Day. He’s said he’s running. The Democratic Party isn’t holding primaries. Their convention starts August 19. There simply isn’t enough time to plan them, have candidates decide if they want to run, organize campaigns, actually campaign, and get voters to the polls all in 8 months.

And honestly, that might be the worst thing that could happen at this point. Imagine the powers that be just having to pick a candidate from literally ALL the options at the convention because they didn’t have their voters narrow it down through primaries. Would be an absolute disaster, particularly for such a “big tent” party that is trying to appeal to so many different constituencies. Oh and by the way, all this for what is probably the most make or break election in American history.
 
IMO that likelihood is 100% unless he dies or is somehow incapacitated between now and Election Day. He’s said he’s running. The Democratic Party isn’t holding primaries. Their convention starts August 19. There simply isn’t enough time to plan them, have candidates decide if they want to run, organize campaigns, actually campaign, and get voters to the polls all in 8 months.

And honestly, that might be the worst thing that could happen at this point. Imagine the powers that be just having to pick a candidate from literally ALL the options at the convention because they didn’t have their voters narrow it down through primaries. Would be an absolute disaster, particularly for such a “big tent” party that is trying to appeal to so many different constituencies. Oh and by the way, all this for what is probably the most make or break election in American history.

As an outside observer it really is depressing and bewildering that we'll see Trump and Biden battle it out later this year.

Don't get me wrong here Starmer is a very poor dull choice as an alternative to the flawed 5th incarnation of a Tory PM in Sunak but blimey we are lucky by comparison!
 
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