Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

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Pittsburgh Footy said:
American policy in the post WW2 era has helped laid waste to Gaza

Regardless of party

I keep bringing this up because it's important. To bang on Biden and Kamala about Gaza implies that the other side would do something different. When the other side would almost certainly be more hawkish on wiping Gaza from the face of the earth. I mean the other side literally moved the embassy to Jerusalem, not in spite of, but BECAUSE it would infuriate the Arab world

So yes, everything needs to be discussed within the proper context
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Also Dave's taxes are funding the bombs and the government he elected are complicit.
 
Ruairi77 said:
Yea sure but you literally posted criticizing a nazi rally and followed it up with a 'in the interest of balance' post where you showed a girl screaming at a kid.
Hardly the same as standing at a podium saying 'we're going to use the military to take out Pelosi and Schiff'
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The false equivalency that exists in the "both sides" debate is nauseating

There's "balance" and there is whatever Trump and today's GOP is.

I stress - TODAY'S GOP

It's disgusting
 
Pittsburgh Footy said:
American policy in the post WW2 era has helped laid waste to Gaza

Regardless of party

I keep bringing this up because it's important. To bang on Biden and Kamala about Gaza implies that the other side would do something different. When the other side would almost certainly be more hawkish on wiping Gaza from the face of the earth. I mean the other side literally moved the embassy to Jerusalem, not in spite of, but BECAUSE it would infuriate the Arab world

So yes, everything needs to be discussed within the proper context
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The US is changing fast and in future elections the Arab-American lobby are going to have to be treated a lot more discerningly than in the past. That's the lesson of this election cycle.

The Democrats will move to encompass those changes more readily than the GOP, but it might not be quick enough for them if this election is close and they lose to Trump in Michigan by fractions.
 
davek said:
The US is changing fast and in future elections the Arab-American lobby are going to have to be treated a lot more discerningly than in the past. That's the lesson of this election cycle.

The Democrats will move to encompass those changes more readily than the GOP, but it might not be quick enough for them if this election is close and they lose to Trump in Michigan by fractions.
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The lesson of this election cycle is that a disheartening amount of Americans will vote for a fascist

Let's not overthink this with nuance
 
Pittsburgh Footy said:
The lesson of this election cycle is that a disheartening amount of Americans will vote for a fascist
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Well, that's the problem. Even if Kamala wins, you still have a country with tens of millions of nutters who are willing to throw their democracy away for a complete moron. They will all still be there after this. I think the US is going to have major problems in the future regardless of who wins
 
bluestevon said:
So I'd wager it's because by and large a lot of the established republicans hate trump as he's not one of them (the established party grandes) but an outsider who took over the party in essence
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That was in 2016. Trumpets threw about the term RINO and moderates were forced to get in lock step behind Trump.
For the most part, they did. Several kept their councel but didn't stand up to him.

Then Jan 6 happened.
Trump didn't call off the dogs for hours as the capitol was sacked with every elected member inside.
There was a noose erected and chants to execute his vice president.
People crapped and peed in the halls of congress. They smashed windows, broke doors, stole artifacts.
They broke in to offices and thrashed them calling for the death of the speaker.
It was so far beyond the pale.
Imagine if this happened in the house of commons with every MP in attendance and the PM was in Downing st. letting it happen.
Now 40 of his 44 cabinet picks wont back him. His VP wont back him. His top military appointee says he's the most dangerous man around, his chief of staff called him a fascist.

By and large established republicans really hate him because he tried to overthrow democracy by force. He attempted a coup and failed. He should be in prison not MSG.
 
Prevenger17 said:
Well, that's the problem. Even if Kamala wins, you still have a country with tens of millions of nutters who are willing to throw their democracy away for a complete moron. They will all still be there after this. I think the US is going to have major problems in the future regardless of who wins
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They've always been there.
Listen to Maddow's "Ultra" podcast.
 
Pittsburgh Footy said:
The lesson of this election cycle is that a disheartening amount of Americans will vote for a fascist

Let's not overthink this with nuance
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That was the lesson of the 2016 election cycle.

Since then, Biden and Harris chose to allow two major conflicts to escalate and help provide the basis for Trump's possible return to the WH.
 
davek said:
That was the lesson of the 2016 election cycle.

Since then, Biden and Harris chose to allow two major conflicts to escalate and help provide the basis for Trump's possible return to the WH.
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And this is where we will continue to disagree.

Because you refuse to educate yourself about the 40%+ of the electorate that have been programmed to never vote or support a Democrat no matter what their policies are
 
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