Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

[LinekersLegs]

It is his fault. Clearly too proud and stubborn to stand aside.

Don’t know how much experience you have with old people in decline but those two traits are not in my experience unusual. For instance many of my friends with elderly parents have had battles with them about driving way past when they were competent or safe because of both pride and stubbornness. Also fear - it is scary to admit you are not capable of what you once were.

You can’t simultaneously think he is losing his faculties and also fault him for not making the best decisions - one clearly influences the other. The people around him are another matter.

 

[degsy]

Don’t know how much experience you have with old people in decline but those two traits are not in my experience unusual. For instance many of my friends with elderly parents have had battles with them about driving way past when they were competent or safe because of both pride and stubbornness. Also fear - it is scary to admit you are not capable of what you once were.

You can’t simultaneously think he is losing his faculties and also fault him for not making the best decisions - one clearly influences the other.

The people around him are another matter.

This

 

[dylsexicbleu]

Don’t know how much experience you have with old people in decline but those two traits are not in my experience unusual. For instance many of my friends with elderly parents have had battles with them about driving way past when they were competent or safe because of both pride and stubbornness. Also fear - it is scary to admit you are not capable of what you once were.

You can’t simultaneously think he is losing his faculties and also fault him for not making the best decisions - one clearly influences the other. The people around him are another matter.

A fully compos mentis Joe Biden would have dealt with the border issue a long time ago. Failure to deal with the border is what will likely lose him AZ and NV. Biden's political instincts, when in his prime, we're pretty good. You have to suspect it was those around him who were either making some bad decisions or simply not briefing him enough on matters of real concern to voters.

 

[Thomasc]

Just seen it, absolutely cringey.

Democrats handing it to Trump on a plate.

 

[Martin Alvito]

A fully compos mentis Joe Biden would have dealt with the border issue a long time ago. Failure to deal with the border is what will likely lose him AZ and NV. Biden's political instincts, when in his prime, we're pretty good. You have to suspect it was those around him who were either making some bad decisions or simply not briefing him enough on matters of real concern to voters.

Biden  did deal with the border problem. He cut a deal with Republicans in both houses of Congress that more or less granted everything that's been on their wish list for years. Trump then scuppered the vote by calling members of Congress and telling them to back out of the deal so he could continue to hit Biden on immigration until November.

The reason you're finding an unfriendly reception around here is your belief that facts are optional, not essential. That doesn't go real far when discussing issues with informed adults.

 

[Eggs]

….its sad to watch, he’s a decent man but it should never have got to this point. I know from dealing with my 96 year old mother-in-law how stubborn old people are in accepting the implications of old age but there will be people close to him who he listens to and who have the ability to influence him.

It’s the POTUS, sentiment can’t get in the way of doing the right thing. These latest gaffs are surely the end.

 

[NathDogg]

It is his fault. Clearly too proud and stubborn to stand aside.

Wrong mate, it’s not his fault - @LinekersLegs explained it brilliantly.

He’s not stubborn or proud, he actually doesn’t realise the mistakes he’s making and has probably already forgot he’s made them, even when people around him have told him about them.

The back and forth we used to have with my grandad after he’d just done something wrong/silly/dangerous, and he would swear blind it wasn’t him or call us liars - it’s heartbreaking.

The people around Biden are doing him a disservice and it’s cruel.

 

[tsubaki]

Don’t know how much experience you have with old people in decline but those two traits are not in my experience unusual. For instance many of my friends with elderly parents have had battles with them about driving way past when they were competent or safe because of both pride and stubbornness. Also fear - it is scary to admit you are not capable of what you once were.

You can’t simultaneously think he is losing his faculties and also fault him for not making the best decisions - one clearly influences the other. The people around him are another matter.

Absolutely, and of course we have recently gone through this with Kenwright.

 

[coollino]

How does it work for him to step down, who's decision would it be and does he have to agree?

 

[Martin Alvito]

Wrong mate, it’s not his fault - @LinekersLegs explained it brilliantly.

He’s not stubborn or proud, he actually doesn’t realise the mistakes he’s making and has probably already forgot he’s made them, even when people around him have told him about them.

The back and forth we used to have with my grandad after he’d just done something wrong/silly/dangerous, and he would swear blind it wasn’t him or call us liars - it’s heartbreaking.

The people around Biden are doing him a disservice and it’s cruel.

When someone acts like that in their teens or early twenties, they might grow out of it. By their thirties and forties, they're a narcissist. In their seventies and eighties, if they weren't doing it in their thirties and forties then they're just old.

 

[dylsexicbleu]

Biden  did deal with the border problem. He cut a deal with Republicans in both houses of Congress that more or less granted everything that's been on their wish list for years. Trump then scuppered the vote by calling members of Congress and telling them to back out of the deal so he could continue to hit Biden on immigration until November.

The reason you're finding an unfriendly reception around here is your belief that facts are optional, not essential. That doesn't go real far when discussing issues with informed adults.

Biden tried dealing with the border three years too late. Kamala Harris, one of the most ineffective national politicians in recent memory, was given the border detail. These three years of inactivity allowed many millions of illegals into the US. The young Joe Biden wouldn't have let the issue fester the way it did.

Shoring up the border in the run-up to election season is something Republicans rightly baulked at. It's not the job of Republicans to aid Joe Biden in his re-election campaign. If Joe Biden did not want the border to be an issue in this campaign then he could have fixed the issue in the first year of his Presidency. The blame is on Joe Biden.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Biden tried dealing with the border three years too late. Kamala Harris, one of the most ineffective national politicians in recent memory, was given the border detail. These three years of inactivity allowed many millions of illegals into the US. The young Joe Biden wouldn't have let the issue fester the way it did.

Shoring up the border in the run-up to election season is something Republicans rightly baulked at. It's not the job of Republicans to aid Joe Biden in his re-election campaign. If Joe Biden did not want the border to be an issue in this campaign then he could have fixed the issue in the first year of his Presidency. The blame is on Joe Biden.

Biden, like any president, is not a king. He does not have a magic wand. He deals with 435 representatives and 100 senators who have views independent of his, and who have their own re-election campaigns to worry about. He does not control the timing of when he can herd enough cats into settling on a deal.

The blame rests squarely with Donald Trump for putting politics above country. That's why he should have been impeached and convicted. It's why he can never, ever hold elected office in America again, much less the presidency.

 

[Harryflashman]

Woke up to disheartening messages from my friend in the states and caught up on it , it’s actually a really tough watch . As others have said it feels like he’s been let down by those close to him but not just that the country has been let down as well.

 

[Martin Alvito]

How does it work for him to step down, who's decision would it be and does he have to agree?

That is one deep rabbit hole.

To replace Biden at the convention by the rules, one would have to persuade 2000 Biden loyalists to vote against him. If they don't line up behind the same person, then the 700 or so superdelegates join the party, and they vote until they settle on someone. This is not considered a likely outcome.

The procedural way to get Biden out, if all else fails, is the 25th Amendment. That absolutely requires Harris and eight cabinet secretaries. As I understand it, "Cabinet-level officials" such as the director of the OMB, CIA and Ambassador to the UN don't count.

Any eight will do. However, two of them (Labor and HUD) have acting status, meaning they have not been confirmed by the Senate in that role. In principle this means seven would be enough, but Biden's team would immediately file for relief in DC federal court and all hell would break loose. Ditto if they get to eight with an acting in the majority. In practice, this means a supermajority of eight of thirteen.

Blinken is a hard "no". It would be a very difficult sell to Garland. Buttigieg has cause to avoid sullying his hands with it. It wouldn't be a good look for Austin after his December fiasco. Yellen might be gettable.

That leaves it in the hands of the wild cards, and your guess is as good as mine what they would do. If the Cabinet votes are secured, then a third of the Democrats in both houses (plus one in the Senate) would have to join the Republicans, assuming they vote in favor, once Biden's team says he's fine and forces the vote required by Section 4 of the 25th Amendment.

TL;DR: It's all but impossible unless Biden falls on his sword.

 

[dylsexicbleu]

Biden, like any president, is not a king. He does not have a magic wand. He deals with 435 representatives and 100 senators who have views independent of his, and who have their own re-election campaigns to worry about. He does not control the timing of when he can herd enough cats into settling on a deal.

The blame rests squarely with Donald Trump for putting politics above country. That's why he should have been impeached and convicted. It's why he can never, ever hold elected office in America again, much less the presidency.

Biden could have at least attempted to deal with the border his first three years. Trump did. It all comes down to priorities. Securing the border was not a priority for Biden until the eve of his own re-election campaign. This is the very definition of putting politics above country.

Biden does have something called the bully pulpit at his disposal. It's been a term for over over a century to describe the Presidency. There was no immediacy from Biden over the issue, no call to action, nothing. However, for some warped reason I'm meant to believe that Republicans are to blame for allowing 10-17million illegals into the country under Biden's Presidency.