Current Affairs 2020 Democratic Primary

[BirkenheadBlue]

Warren and HRC before her are being held to crazy high standards that their male counterparts aren’t.
clinton wasn’t a great candidate but thevitriol she suffered was crazy.
if warren were a man with the same cv, she’d top the polls no question.

Exactly. Bernie might well have been right in his assertion, to be fair.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Just listened the sound clip where Warren tells ''you called me a liar'' to Sanders after the debate was over (wasn't heard on air), crazy stuff. if these two continue fighting each other, it will only help the establishment win their candidate, Joe Biden. Come on progressives!

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Just listened the sound clip where Warren tells ''you called me a liar'' to Sanders after the debate was over (wasn't heard on air), crazy stuff. if these two continue fighting each other, it will only help the establishment win their candidate, Joe Biden. Come on progressives!

Not sure Biden will need any help to be honest. I really thought he'd fall away, but no signs, even with Trump doing his best to drag him through the mud

Although it'll be interesting to see what happens after the first two states, as Biden is unlikely to win either... things could shift at that point

 

[abelard]

100% someone's getting fired for allowing this

 

[Paris]

As someone who is supporting Bernie, I'd just like to thank Hilary for her comments on him.

That right there is a person who has absolutely no self-awareness.

 

[Paris]

Warren and HRC before her are being held to crazy high standards that their male counterparts aren’t.
clinton wasn’t a great candidate but thevitriol she suffered was crazy.
if warren were a man with the same cv, she’d top the polls no question.

Disagree.

Warren was a Republican before switching sides, continues to vote on giving the military a blank cheque, has continuously lied about her heritage, lied about a previous sacking, lied about Sanders telling her that a woman cannot be president despite the fact that there's video from him in 1988 saying that there a woman could be president and has continued to be a great friend of the feminist movement.

We all know that Biden is corrupt and a creep so it doesn't need much comment. However, when CNN comes out and does a complete hatchet job on Bernie, for no other reason it appears than Bernie supporting CNN's workers over the corporation, and Warren trying to score politically over a long time friend from said hatchet job then don't be shocked that people are going to say 'hang on now, that's not fair'.

As for Hilary, her record speaks for itself. A truly deplorable individual.

 

[Ruairi77]

Disagree.

Warren was a Republican before switching sides, continues to vote on giving the military a blank cheque, has continuously lied about her heritage, lied about a previous sacking, lied about Sanders telling her that a woman cannot be president despite the fact that there's video from him in 1988 saying that there a woman could be president and has continued to be a great friend of the feminist movement.

We all know that Biden is corrupt and a creep so it doesn't need much comment. However, when CNN comes out and does a complete hatchet job on Bernie, for no other reason it appears than Bernie supporting CNN's workers over the corporation, and Warren trying to score politically over a long time friend from said hatchet job then don't be shocked that people are going to say 'hang on now, that's not fair'.

As for Hilary, her record speaks for itself. A truly deplorable individual.

that's it tho, right there. You have no idea what Sanders said to Warren yet you take is as fact that it's a lie.
I'm not sure what the story is behind the sacking but I'm sure every candidate has some skeletons in their closet from 40 years ago. I'm not too bothered about it.
As for the native ancestry, yea she played it wrong but I don't doubt that she believed she had native blood.
The amount of people who tell me their Irish yet have no idea of their heritage is staggering.
I have no problem with the fact that she was a republican and though I disagree with her military support, I dont think it's enough to write her off.

The problem is that a lot of Sanders supporters are not team players, the reaction to Warren online was dangerous and divisive.
The bile and vitriol aimed at Warren was nasty and a lot of it was sexist crap. Clinton got the same treatment.

I voted for Sanders in 2016 and I'll vote for him again if he's nominated but the behavior of his supporters has actively discouraged me from working to get him elected.

Sorry I even got drawn in to this.

 

[sdk]

Warren was a Republican yet she voted for McGovern rather than Nixon in 1972 and Carter rather than Reagan in 1980. She didn't vote for Reagan in 1984 either, and when she saw how the so-called Reagan Revolution was shaking out for the common folk several years later, she switched to the Dems. Saying someone used to be Republican when Republicans and Democrats weren't yet a million miles apart isn't saying much, really.

EDIT: And Warren DOES have indigenous heritage, which she learned about from her relatives. That's how we all used to learn about our ethnic background back before the internet came along and turned us all into supergeniuses.

What the Boston Globe learned about Warren's descent

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Disagree.

Warren was a Republican before switching sides, continues to vote on giving the military a blank cheque, has continuously lied about her heritage, lied about a previous sacking, lied about Sanders telling her that a woman cannot be president despite the fact that there's video from him in 1988 saying that there a woman could be president and has continued to be a great friend of the feminist movement.

We all know that Biden is corrupt and a creep so it doesn't need much comment. However, when CNN comes out and does a complete hatchet job on Bernie, for no other reason it appears than Bernie supporting CNN's workers over the corporation, and Warren trying to score politically over a long time friend from said hatchet job then don't be shocked that people are going to say 'hang on now, that's not fair'.

As for Hilary, her record speaks for itself. A truly deplorable individual.

It’s been pretty well summed up by the two posters below you, but re: Sanders... as I asked you last time, how do you definitively know she “lied” about what he said?

“We all know Biden is corrupt”. Do we??

Never ceases to amaze me how much online “Bernie supporters” sound almost exactly like Trump acolytes.

 

[Paris]

It’s been pretty well summed up by the two posters below you, but re: Sanders... as I asked you last time, how do you definitively know she “lied” about what he said?

“We all know Biden is corrupt”. Do we??

Never ceases to amaze me how much online “Bernie supporters” sound almost exactly like Trump acolytes.

Well yes, we do. He's a complete sleazeball.

How do I know that Warren lied? She has a history of it. A leopard doesn't change its spots. Especially when it comes to political point scoring...

Now, this is about the Democratic nomination but when that's been decided I'll swing my support over to the nominee as what's most important is seeing Trump ejected from the White House. Not sure what's so difficult to understand about that, unless of course your only source of 'news' on the subject is CNN, in which case Sanders has been painted as the devil incarnate for supporting CNN's workers over the corporation and which I suspect is the case for some of you.

 

[Ruairi77]

Well yes, we do. He's a complete sleazeball.

How do I know that Warren lied? She has a history of it. A leopard doesn't change its spots. Especially when it comes to political point scoring...

Now, this is about the Democratic nomination but when that's been decided I'll swing my support over to the nominee as what's most important is seeing Trump ejected from the White House. Not sure what's so difficult to understand about that, unless of course your only source of 'news' on the subject is CNN, in which case Sanders has been painted as the devil incarnate for supporting CNN's workers over the corporation and which I suspect is the case for some of you.

I’ve no idea what you’re on about. But your doing a bang up job of reinforcing the sanders supporter stereotype.

 

[Paris]

I’ve no idea what you’re on about. But your doing a bang up job of reinforcing the sanders supporter stereotype.

I know you've no idea what I'm talking about because your comments so far have shown that you have no idea of what's happening. As for the last part, AOC has endorsed Sanders and that's good enough to prove such a comment to be complete claptrap.

 

[Ruairi77]

I know you've no idea what I'm talking about because your comments so far have shown that you have no idea of what's happening. As for the last part, AOC has endorsed Sanders and that's good enough to prove such a comment to be complete claptrap.

again, your posts are all over the place. No one ever said Sanders was sexist.

 

[SteveSC]

Well yes, we do. He's a complete sleazeball.

How do I know that Warren lied? She has a history of it. A leopard doesn't change its spots. Especially when it comes to political point scoring...

Now, this is about the Democratic nomination but when that's been decided I'll swing my support over to the nominee as what's most important is seeing Trump ejected from the White House. Not sure what's so difficult to understand about that, unless of course your only source of 'news' on the subject is CNN, in which case Sanders has been painted as the devil incarnate for supporting CNN's workers over the corporation and which I suspect is the case for some of you.

Serious question can you even vote? I didn't think you lived here. I'm curious is all.

On another note...

I get you support him and just like others keep an healthy interest in American politics which is cool. But agitating others over their choices or making claims without backing them up with facts plays into the hands of those trying to make the left look shambolic. It also hurts Sanders when his supporters act out like some of them have been doing.

No one here hates Sanders. To say some of us hate him is not true at all. Not sure if that's just a lack of understanding of how it works or simply feeding the fuel to the narrative that the left hate him. The narrative his die hards have put forth. None of it helps his cause by the way. It makes them seem desperate.

Sanders is well supported and if its the will of the people will be chosen to fight Trump.

Please don't make claims though about other candidates if you are not prepared to back them up. At least the others thus far that have done that attempted to at least point out an actual case or fact to prove their point. Throwing out an opinion does not mean it's the truth.

 

[Ruairi77]

Serious question can you even vote? I didn't think you lived here. I'm curious is all.

On another note...

I get you support him and just like others keep an healthy interest in American politics which is cool. But agitating others over their choices or making claims without backing them up with facts plays into the hands of those trying to make the left look shambolic. It also hurts Sanders when his supporters act out like some of them have been doing.

No one here hates Sanders. To say some of us hate him is not true at all. Not sure if that's just a lack of understanding of how it works or simply feeding the fuel to the narrative that the left hate him. The narrative his die hards have put forth. None of it helps his cause by the way. It makes them seem desperate.

Sanders is well supported and if its the will of the people will be chosen to fight Trump.

Please don't make claims though about other candidates if you are not prepared to back them up. At least the others thus far that have done that attempted to at least point out an actual case or fact to prove their point. Throwing out an opinion does not mean it's the truth.

Well put Steve!