Current Affairs 2020 Democratic Primary

[BirkenheadBlue]

I haven't been active here since March, but in-between I've been impressed by Tulsi Gabbard and disappointed at the odd negative (or lack of) coverage she's been getting from the progressive mainstream despite ticking the relevant identity-politics boxes: female, darker skin. She's even suing Google (and was apparently the most searched-for candidate after the last debates).

Thats because she had one decent moment, coupled by the (much more relevant) fact that almost no one had any idea who she is.

I gather she didn't qualify for the next round of debates...which is interesting timing considering she trounced the actual darling of progressive media last time round.

1. It’s not really “interesting timing”, she just didn’t qualify. The (very reasonable) qualification criteria have been known for ages.
2. Who is this “actual darling of progressive media” in your estimation? Because I’d say if anyone fits that description it’s Warren, and she vastly outperformed Gabbard I’m the first debate, and wasn’t even on the same stage in the 2nd. So who exactly did Gabbard “trounce”?

If I was American and she was the actual Pres candidate, she'd 100% have my vote: anti-war while having actual experience of military conflict is a healthy mix for a US Pres to have. And she could beat Trump too as Republican-voters do love a candidate with proper military service.

Soz if there's already been tons of discussion on Tulsi...

AFAIK there’s literally no evidence that she would beat Trump, and there DEFINITELY isn’t any to suggest she’s better equipped to do it than 9 or 10 other candidates.

Republicans may like someone with military service, but a good chunk of them aren’t so keen on voting for women or people of colour.

Mind you, they are pretty big fans on questionable views regarding LGBT people, so maybe Tulsi would have a shot...

 

[SteveSC]

Warren for me although in the top 3 is underrated. ultimately its her versus Sanders i think. I cannot see the majority of Democrats backing Biden especially the more he speaks. That's only if those polls are accurate and Sanders still has the support many think he has.

All of these polls have to be taken with a pinch of salt. There are just so many people who don't take polls as in volunteer to take them.

In 2016 they didn't serve the left nor the right well either.

The problem for me is that one of the factors of judging popularity is how much they raise. But really is that a good indicator?

 

[dholliday]

Thats because she had one decent moment, coupled by the (much more relevant) fact that almost no one had any idea who she is.


1. It’s not really “interesting timing”, she just didn’t qualify. The (very reasonable) qualification criteria have been known for ages.
2. Who is this “actual darling of progressive media” in your estimation? Because I’d say if anyone fits that description it’s Warren, and she vastly outperformed Gabbard I’m the first debate, and wasn’t even on the same stage in the 2nd. So who exactly did Gabbard “trounce”?


AFAIK there’s literally no evidence that she would beat Trump, and there DEFINITELY isn’t any to suggest she’s better equipped to do it than 9 or 10 other candidates.

Republicans may like someone with military service, but a good chunk of them aren’t so keen on voting for women or people of colour.

Mind you, they are pretty big fans on questionable views regarding LGBT people, so maybe Tulsi would have a shot...

Tulsi doesn't have questionable views, she supports gay marriage for example. If you're referring to her younger days when she didn't support that, well I think most people in their younger days had immature ideas about the world, especially if like Tulsi they grew up in a religiously-conservative family. What matters is now.

She trounced Harris, who was being touted by progressive media.

The polls used to filter Tulsi out weren't agreed or known beforehand. Sounds like another DNC stitch-up.

Saying that, 2020 is probably too soon for her, but she does have a presidential air and great policies. Expect more in 2024-2028.

 

[dholliday]

That isn't actually true though, is it.

It is when it's Gabbard vs Trump.

 

[dholliday]

Warren for me although in the top 3 is underrated. ultimately its her versus Sanders i think. I cannot see the majority of Democrats backing Biden especially the more he speaks. That's only if those polls are accurate and Sanders still has the support many think he has.

All of these polls have to be taken with a pinch of salt. There are just so many people who don't take polls as in volunteer to take them.

In 2016 they didn't serve the left nor the right well either.

The problem for me is that one of the factors of judging popularity is how much they raise. But really is that a good indicator?

Sanders must be the candidate. As long as he demonstrates his body and mind remain sharp he can beat the Donald.

Warren would lose as she won't be able to shake off her Native American meme. Biden would lose due to his Creepy Joe meme (now add Senile Joe to that).

As we know, Trump can brush off any controversy, but coming up against a consistent forceful personality like Bernie will be his greatest challenge. Back in 2015 he admitted that the Bern was the stronger Dem candidate and was relieved Hillary got the nomination.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Tulsi doesn't have questionable views, she supports gay marriage for example. If you're referring to her younger days when she didn't support that, well I think most people in their younger days had immature ideas about the world, especially if like Tulsi they grew up in a religiously-conservative family. What matters is now.

She trounced Harris, who was being touted by progressive media.

The polls used to filter Tulsi out weren't agreed or known beforehand. Sounds like another DNC stitch-up.

Saying that, 2020 is probably too soon for her, but she does have a presidential air and great policies. Expect more in 2024-2028.

I’ve certainly never seen anyone describe Kamala Harris as “the actual darling of the progressive media” before.

“another DNC stitch up” - yeah, because otherwise Gabbard would be running away with it lol

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

It is when it's Gabbard vs Trump.

Evidence, please

 

[dholliday]

I’ve certainly never seen anyone describe Kamala Harris as “the actual darling of the progressive media” before.

Maybe because you haven't read much commentary from mainstream liberal media?

Here's a few promo pieces. Tulsi, despite being a more genuine liberal candidate, hasn't had anywhere close to this championing:

Trevor Noah on Kamala Harris: ‘She bussed Biden right out of the debate’

Late night was chockful of fresh jokes from last night’s Democratic debate, with many of the shows broadcasting live

www.theguardian.com

Kamala Harris just changed the direction of the presidential race | Cliff Albright

In several commanding moments, she distinguished herself from her rivals and positioned herself to lead the fight against Trump

www.theguardian.com

No country for old white men: Kamala Harris heralds changing of the guard

The Democratic debates’ standouts have been Booker, Buttigieg, Castro, Harris and Warren – none a straight male Caucasian – while Joe Biden looked like this year’s Jeb Bush

www.theguardian.com

Des Moines Register Editorial Board Calls Kamala Harris ‘Formidable' 2020 Opponent

The board applauded the presidential hopeful's "bulldog" record on crime — a sore point for her critics.

m.huffpost.com

Kamala Harris: young, black, female – and the Democrats’ best bet for 2020?

She has only been a senator since last January, but the presidential buzz is growing as the party debates the need for a radical edge

amp.theguardian.com

Kamala Harris' 2020 presidential bid marks a historic moment for American politics

On Monday, California Democratic Senator Kamala Harris announced her bid for the 2020 presidential election, making her the first African-American woman to enter next year's White House race. Her announcement, which fell on Martin Luther King Jr. Day, comes 47 years after Rep. Shirley Chisholm...

www.cnbc.com

I’m a Black Woman, and I See Myself in Kamala Harris

The senator has been running against history, and now she’s poised to make it.

www.thedailybeast.com

Harris carves out role as most viable black female presidential candidate in U.S. history

The 54-year-old freshman senator from California is increasingly weaving her personal history into her campaign

amp.detroitnews.com

Kamala Harris chooses women of color to drive her campaign

More than half of California Sen. Kamala Harris' top staffers in her presidential campaign are women of color. The campaign says they're key decision makers, who reflect the concerns of vital groups of voters as well as reaching out to them.

amp.cnn.com

Kamala Harris is among the few black women to run for president. Here is the amazing story of the first. - The Washington Post

Shirley Chisholm's 1972 campaign for the Democratic nomination was quixotic but made history.

beta.washingtonpost.com

 

[devogue]

I really hope Biden doesn't become the nominee. The DNC need to start backing progressive candidates otherwise Trump will be re elected.

 

[dholliday]

Evidence, please

Fox News champion Tulsi Gabbard, and aren't shy of criticising Trump. This is a big deal, or should be.

www.foxnews.com/opinion/doug-mackinnon-tulsi-gabbard.amp

 

[SteveSC]

Maybe because you haven't read much commentary from mainstream liberal media?

Here's a few promo pieces. Tulsi, despite being a more genuine liberal candidate, hasn't had anywhere close to this championing:

Trevor Noah on Kamala Harris: ‘She bussed Biden right out of the debate’

Late night was chockful of fresh jokes from last night’s Democratic debate, with many of the shows broadcasting live

www.theguardian.com

Kamala Harris just changed the direction of the presidential race | Cliff Albright

In several commanding moments, she distinguished herself from her rivals and positioned herself to lead the fight against Trump

www.theguardian.com

No country for old white men: Kamala Harris heralds changing of the guard

The Democratic debates’ standouts have been Booker, Buttigieg, Castro, Harris and Warren – none a straight male Caucasian – while Joe Biden looked like this year’s Jeb Bush

www.theguardian.com

Des Moines Register Editorial Board Calls Kamala Harris ‘Formidable' 2020 Opponent

The board applauded the presidential hopeful's "bulldog" record on crime — a sore point for her critics.

m.huffpost.com

Kamala Harris: young, black, female – and the Democrats’ best bet for 2020?

She has only been a senator since last January, but the presidential buzz is growing as the party debates the need for a radical edge

amp.theguardian.com

Kamala Harris' 2020 presidential bid marks a historic moment for American politics

On Monday, California Democratic Senator Kamala Harris announced her bid for the 2020 presidential election, making her the first African-American woman to enter next year's White House race. Her announcement, which fell on Martin Luther King Jr. Day, comes 47 years after Rep. Shirley Chisholm...

www.cnbc.com

I’m a Black Woman, and I See Myself in Kamala Harris

The senator has been running against history, and now she’s poised to make it.

www.thedailybeast.com

Harris carves out role as most viable black female presidential candidate in U.S. history

The 54-year-old freshman senator from California is increasingly weaving her personal history into her campaign

amp.detroitnews.com

Kamala Harris chooses women of color to drive her campaign

More than half of California Sen. Kamala Harris' top staffers in her presidential campaign are women of color. The campaign says they're key decision makers, who reflect the concerns of vital groups of voters as well as reaching out to them.

amp.cnn.com

Kamala Harris is among the few black women to run for president. Here is the amazing story of the first. - The Washington Post

Shirley Chisholm's 1972 campaign for the Democratic nomination was quixotic but made history.

beta.washingtonpost.com

The first two links are about the same thing. The debate she took Biden apart.

The rest are opinion pieces by contributors. Harris is a black woman with an interesting past and she has had some ups and downs. She is also well known compared to gabbard.

Also you are being very disingenuous. Type gabbard into google and you get plenty of coverage for her too.

You are comparing apples and oranges. One is popular and the other not so much. That's how popularity works.

 

[dholliday]

The first two links are about the same thing. The debate she took Biden apart.

The rest are opinion pieces by contributors. Harris is a black woman with an interesting past and she has had some ups and downs. She is also well known compared to gabbard.

Also you are being very disingenuous. Type gabbard into google and you get plenty of coverage for her too.

You are comparing apples and oranges. One is popular and the other not so much. That's how popularity works.

she is more well known than Gabbard precisely because she's being championed.

Since Tulsi took her down they've more or less given up on Kamala (so have the polls).

 

[SteveSC]

she is more well known than Gabbard precisely because she's being championed.

Since Tulsi took her down they've more or less given up on Kamala (so have the polls).

She not being championed. Harris is well known in politics and in the US simple as that.

And of course the media dont talk about either one of them because they are not polling well and dont have a shot at this point. Like every race they are not close.

 

[dholliday]

She not being championed. Harris is well known in politics and in the US simple as that.

And of course the media dont talk about either one of them because they are not polling well and dont have a shot at this point. Like every race they are not close.

those links are textbook championing.

why get stuck up on this, tho'? we both agree since Tulsi trounced her that Kamala's chance has gone. she's no longer being championed

 

[SteveSC]

those links are textbook championing.

why get stuck up on this, tho'? we both agree since Tulsi trounced her that Kamala's chance has gone. she's no longer being championed

I dont care about either off them you are the one stuck on a fruitless gabbard campaign. She never had a chance. Harris had an outside chance simple.

Gabbard seems like a goo person and has some plus points but she was never going to pick up enough in the polls.

I dont like harris and I won't have to vote on gabbard or her as they were effectively done even before the debates. With Biden, Warren and Sanders being so strong the rest running is a waste of their time and donations.

Gabbard team obviously didn't get her name out there enough.

She appeared on every popular late night show and still it had no effect. Many a similar piece was written about her too and still nothing.

You stuck on harris being "championed" is silly. Given both she and Gabbard really an outside bet or a no hope depending on whose camp you were in.

Also it wasn't Gabbard that ruined Harris "chance" as you put it. It was her past and the three mentioned candidates above being stronger