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Whose more likeable than Bernie and Tulsi ? I don't mind Warren and Yang but Bernie and Tulsi just come across more authentic and believable than the rest.

Biden, Harris etc can all jump off a cliff for all I care, especially Harris who has a deeply unlikeable personality.

Tulsi has no hope of winning but she still comes across way better than just about everyone else running bar Bernie.




The Hill posted a poll only yesterday saying Sanders is equal with Biden. Numerous polls suggested Bernie could have beaten Trump in the last election had he not been screwed by Hilary. The guy IS popular, just the mainstream media tries to make out he's not because they want their corporate candidates like Biden & Harris to win.
And yet the big, bad "MSM” has spent more time praising Warren than pretty much any other candidate.

And I didn’t see the poll you’re quoting, but if what you say is accurate, it stands more or less alone in having Bernie leading. Though I’d say if polls are really your thing, Biden is comfortably the “safest bet’ for beating Trump. Now I don’t necessarily believe that, but every “candidate x vs Trump” poll has Biden way out in the lead compared to everyone else in the race.
 
And yet the big, bad "MSM” has spent more time praising Warren than pretty much any other candidate.

Warren is still 'MSM' friendly on numerous issues, Bernie not so much. Just look at the amount of attacks the 'MSM' do against the less corporate candidates relative to their criticism of Biden, Harris etc... its ridiculously unbalanced.

And I didn’t see the poll you’re quoting, but if what you say is accurate, it stands more or less alone in having Bernie leading. Though I’d say if polls are really your thing, Biden is comfortably the “safest bet’ for beating Trump. Now I don’t necessarily believe that, but every “candidate x vs Trump” poll has Biden way out in the lead compared to everyone else in the race.

I haven't got a clue if its accurate, that's just the nature of polls... they can be and are often wrong. I do think Bernie had a chance in 2016, Hilary is one of the most unpopular politicians in American history and still got more votes then Trump. Bernie would have had to deal with the whole 'commie' slander but I don't think it would have gained anywhere near as much traction as the 'crooked Hillary' narrative did.

Anyway I agree Biden is favourite but I don't think he's a particularly likeable person, certainly doesn't seem anywhere near as authentic as some other candidates.

He's an easier sell though as he's beige/safe which is what the centrist dems want.
 
Sadly. The Dems will get absolutely steamrolled. They do not have any one capable of competing it would seem.
 
Have concerns about Biden but this was a decent speech

I know it seems obvious but if the dems attack Trump to win, they will play into his hand. They need to win voters, and they won’t do that attacking Trump IMO.
 
I know it seems obvious but if the dems attack Trump to win, they will play into his hand. They need to win voters, and they won’t do that attacking Trump IMO.
Hear what you say but think there is a balance to be struck between winning over Obama/Trump voters (or those who didn’t vote in 2016) and exciting the base who loathe Trump. Whether Biden, or other Dems, can figure out that calculation is the key question.
 
Hear what you say but think there is a balance to be struck between winning over Obama/Trump voters (or those who didn’t vote in 2016) and exciting the base who loathe Trump. Whether Biden, or other Dems, can figure out that calculation is the key question.
Exactly. There are probably a couple of ways win.

one is exciting huge turnout (which Trump himself will help with massively this time round, almost irrespective of the candidate)

the second is taking votes away from Trump or denying him swing voters.

The calculation for any individual candidate is who can increase the first category the most without decreasing the second, or vice versa.

This probably does give the likes of Biden an advantage in the general over the others, because turnout is going to be up on the left whoever the candidate is, as a result of Trump, while Biden does hold more appeal in areas that need to be taken back from Trump.

not saying that means he should be the nominee (it’s a balancing act between “Trump must be defeated” and having someone in the office whose policies are aligned with what you want to happen going forward)
 
Exactly. There are probably a couple of ways win.

one is exciting huge turnout (which Trump himself will help with massively this time round, almost irrespective of the candidate)

the second is taking votes away from Trump or denying him swing voters.

The calculation for any individual candidate is who can increase the first category the most without decreasing the second, or vice versa.

This probably does give the likes of Biden an advantage in the general over the others, because turnout is going to be up on the left whoever the candidate is, as a result of Trump, while Biden does hold more appeal in areas that need to be taken back from Trump.

not saying that means he should be the nominee (it’s a balancing act between “Trump must be defeated” and having someone in the office whose policies are aligned with what you want to happen going forward)
Yeah I believe Biden/his policies won’t be particularly off putting to a swing/nonvoter but whether that is enough to get them to cast a vote for him, especially if the economy is still OK, is another matter.

Whilst all the candidates are going to try to have a wide appeal they will probably have a “best path to win back the electoral college” that they focus resources on to avoid joining Clinton/Gore in the unenviable position of not being president despite winning the popular vote.

The first, Northern Path, is to Flip WI, MI & PA back to blue and hold MN and is almost certainly what Biden is going to pitch that he can do and probably Bernie/Warren/Buttigieg/Klobuchar/Booker as well.

The other path, Sunbelt strategy, is lose the Mid West but compensate by winning FL and any of NC, AZ, TX(!), GA. That is probably what Harris, Beto and Castro are aiming for.

Whilst the latter path looks like it might be good in the future I think winning Florida is going to be a lot harder than flipping Pennsylvania and Michigan back and hoping to win either Wisconsin or Arizona.
 
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With the usual caveats (just one poll, still lots of time etc etc) relly poor poll for Sanders. He ran Hillary close in Iowa in 2016 and was meant to be an easier state for him to get an early win than say South Carolina.
 
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