Current Affairs 2020 Democratic Primary

[TN Toffee]

I think it was the inability of the other centrist candidates to get the support of African American and Latino voters that will be so important in winning against Trump. Iowa and New Hampshire were always poor representations of Democratic voters - Nevada and S Carolina much closer.

Exactly. Pete never had a chance once they got to states where non-white voters were really going to start having a say, Klobuchar was just way too far behind all along, and Bloomberg either never had support to begin with, or just got in the race several months too late.

 

[SteveSC]

Astonishing logic on display from one of our era's great minds here. Lolling

Our friend toffy in his finest hour.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Exactly. Pete never had a chance once they got to states where non-white voters were really going to start having a say, Klobuchar was just way too far behind all along, and Bloomberg either never had support to begin with, or just got in the race several months too late.

Bloomberg's numbers were looking like he could be a factor at one point, then.... something happened to him...

Can't... quite... remember...

 

[Ruairi77]

it could be the case but why do you choose to attack your fellow progressive candidate at this particular time? warren voters should also have serious problems with the establishment. do you think if this was Biden v Warren now, the DNC would let Warren get away with the nom? You would get much meaner digs at him from Biden camp

You're talking about Warren going after Sanders? Probably not the smartest move but it was hardly the start of WW3. Had sanders been a consensus builder, he might have found a solution that kept him out front on the progressive side but kept her from getting pilloried. She miscalculated, she screwed up lots of stuff along the way but did it deserve this kind of response, no.
Listen to them, it's MAGA stuff. Outsider cult of personality. I'm sick of that.
Also, it's not all a conspiracy. Like I've said all along, After 2016 Sanders should have joined the party and worked to build coalitions from within.
He'd never do that because he would lose his anti establishment base. He might just get something done tho.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

You're talking about Warren going after Sanders? Probably not the smartest move but it was hardly the start of WW3. Had sanders been a consensus builder, he might have found a solution that kept him out front on the progressive side but kept her from getting pilloried. She miscalculated, she screwed up lots of stuff along the way but did it deserve this kind of response, no.
Listen to them, it's MAGA stuff. Outsider cult of personality. I'm sick of that.
Also, it's not all a conspiracy. Like I've said all along, After 2016 Sanders should have joined the party and worked to build coalitions from within.
He'd never do that because he would lose his anti establishment base. He might just get something done tho.

again, i agree, but NOW shouldn't all Warren voters try to convince their friends and relatives for voting Sanders? Why do you still feel some grudge against Sanders? It is over for Warren, I really LIKE her, very decent person and cares about details like myself in my personal life. but it is now either Biden or Sanders. And I know whose ideas were much closer to Warren's.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

it could be the case but why do you choose to attack your fellow progressive candidate at this particular time? warren voters should also have serious problems with the establishment. do you think if this was Biden v Warren now, the DNC would let Warren get away with the nom? You would get much meaner digs thrown at her from Biden camp

I don't think there would be a great deal of pressure in either direction. There's a reason Biden didn't get much backing until it became clear Bernie was running away with it. Now I'm not saying that's right, but I do see why they wouldn't want someone who isn't a Democrat (officially at least) to wind up with the nomination, especially one who has at times been pretty hostile to the Party.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

again, i agree, but NOW shouldn't all Warren voters try to convince their friends and relatives for voting Sanders? Why do you still feel some grudge against Sanders? It is over for Warren, I really LIKE her, very decent person and cares about details like myself in my personal life. but it is now either Biden or Sanders. And I know whose ideas were much closer to Warren's.

I've said a few times most of the issue is with Sanders' SUPPORT, not with Sanders himself. Warren's supporters will be there for whoever is the nominee come the General... but it's not unreasonable for them to be feeling pretty sore for a little while, given some of the invective.

I did see a story that 250 Warren volunteers were due to be phone banking for her when she dropped out. They stayed around and spent several hours phone banking for a local Congressional candidate.

 

[LinekersLegs]

again, i agree, but NOW shouldn't all Warren voters try to convince their friends and relatives for voting Sanders? Why do you still feel some grudge against Sanders? It is over for Warren, I really LIKE her, very decent person and cares about details like myself in my personal life. but it is now either Biden or Sanders. And I know whose ideas were much closer to Warren's.

This seems to be a fairly common sentiment among the Warren supporters I know

 

[riddick]

Blah, blah, blah. The cages. You go on as if it only happened during Trump's campaign. Did you forgot some of the images they put out in the media when criticising Trump were taken during Obama's term, of which Biden was there too.

As for tax cuts, so what if the rich get a big slice of the pie with the cuts. Guess what, they also pay the bigger slice too of the pie.

Corporations and businesses need the cuts to assist with economy, jobs etc.

When was the last time you got a paying job from a poor person ?

As for healthcare, that's an issue which hasn't been sorted for years, and don't start with Obamacare being the saving grace.

For all the talk you give able Warren, Biden and Sanders being better, explain what they were going to do and how they would do it which would make them better for some to vote ?

You're talk about preferences is like your basing it on emotional feelings.

Well that's just wrong. Warren Buffet has said repeatedly his secretary/assistant pays more in taxes than he does.

 

[Ruairi77]

again, i agree, but NOW shouldn't all Warren voters try to convince their friends and relatives for voting Sanders? Why do you still feel some grudge against Sanders? It is over for Warren, I really LIKE her, very decent person and cares about details like myself in my personal life. but it is now either Biden or Sanders. And I know whose ideas were much closer to Warren's.

I agree, most people I know have already voted, and to be honest, right now, it's not easy to just turn around and say 'forget about the bile and sexism, his policies are the same'.
Also, this primary season has thought me a lot about peoples perceptions of how healthcare for all might work.
For me Sanders plan, as it stands, will not win over independents or moderate republicans who hate Trump.
He was relying on a huge youth turnout so that he didn't have to appeal to the middle ground and that turnout didn't turn out.
I'm also concerned that his base won't vote down ballot as much as is needed.
Then there's Biden.
I have no time for his politics but I was impressed at how he drew together a coalition and rode the momentum to a victory on super Tuesday.
His voters will vote down ballot as seen in 2018 when mostly moderate democrats swept the boards and saved us from a GOP house which would have been a disaster.
He can win in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and maybe Florida, NC and Arizona. He has a genuine shot at beating Trump and even taking the Senate.
Is he a gaffe prone relic, sure, but he knows the party is leaning progressive and with control of both houses, the Democrats could actually start to get stuff done.
If Trump gets re-elected, he gets 2 more supreme court picks and this country changes for ever.
So we need to work for better healthcare and a green new deal but if the Democrats control both houses we can start to make progress.

In short. I like Sanders's politics but I don't think he can win and I dislike Bidens politics but I think he can win. For the sake of the country, the democrats need to win this more than anything.

 

[SteveSC]

Blah, blah, blah. The cages. You go on as if it only happened during Trump's campaign. Did you forgot some of the images they put out in the media when criticising Trump were taken during Obama's term, of which Biden was there too.

As for tax cuts, so what if the rich get a big slice of the pie with the cuts. Guess what, they also pay the bigger slice too of the pie.

Corporations and businesses need the cuts to assist with economy, jobs etc.

When was the last time you got a paying job from a poor person ?

As for healthcare, that's an issue which hasn't been sorted for years, and don't start with Obamacare being the saving grace.

For all the talk you give able Warren, Biden and Sanders being better, explain what they were going to do and how they would do it which would make them better for some to vote ?

You're talk about preferences is like your basing it on emotional feelings.

This post is straight out of the the rights on how to explain rich people to your base book.

It's utter nonsense and factually incorrect.

At least be like other non americans here and actually do some research. If you did you would find out that you are way off.

Nearly all of the biggest business owners in the US have at one point admitted they pay little or no taxes compared to their employees. Google it there are hundreds off examples out there. Bill Gates, Mark Cuban and the others on Shark tank. Zuckerberg even admitted it.

The thing is these owners dont write legislation nor do they pass laws so many accept or find ways to give back through charity or they simply say not my problem depending on what side of the aisle they line.

It's a big myth that cutting their taxes drives them to be better to their employes. In most cases the extra profits are shared amongst their shareholders or used to expand overseas operations.

Trickle down economics peddled by the right has continually failed yet they still persist on ideas based on it. All they are doing is looking after themselves and their rich friends.

 

[Death]

This post is straight out of the the rights on how to explain rich people to your base book.

It's utter nonsense and factually incorrect.

At least be like other non americans here and actually do some research. If you did you would find out that you are way off.

Nearly all of the biggest business owners in the US have at one point admitted they pay little or no taxes compared to their employees. Google it there are hundreds off examples out there. Bill Gates, Mark Cuban and the others on Shark tank. Zuckerberg even admitted it.

The thing is these owners dont write legislation nor do they pass laws so many accept or find ways to give back through charity or they simply say not my problem depending on what side of the aisle they line.

It's a big myth that cutting their taxes drives them to be better to their employes. In most cases the extra profits are shared amongst their shareholders or used to expand overseas operations.

Trickle down economics peddled by the right has continually failed yet they still persist on ideas based on it. All they are doing is looking after themselves and their rich friends.

Blah blah blah

 

[riddick]

This post is straight out of the the rights on how to explain rich people to your base book.

It's utter nonsense and factually incorrect.

At least be like other non americans here and actually do some research. If you did you would find out that you are way off.

Nearly all of the biggest business owners in the US have at one point admitted they pay little or no taxes compared to their employees. Google it there are hundreds off examples out there. Bill Gates, Mark Cuban and the others on Shark tank. Zuckerberg even admitted it.

The thing is these owners dont write legislation nor do they pass laws so many accept or find ways to give back through charity or they simply say not my problem depending on what side of the aisle they line.

It's a big myth that cutting their taxes drives them to be better to their employes. In most cases the extra profits are shared amongst their shareholders or used to expand overseas operations.

Trickle down economics peddled by the right has continually failed yet they still persist on ideas based on it. All they are doing is looking after themselves and their rich friends.

It's actually a FACT that cutting their taxes only makes them buy up more of their stock. Trickle down economics means they hoard money more and don't increase the pay. Theres literally nothing that shows that it actually helps the economy other than stock buyback.

 

[Death]

It's actually a FACT that cutting their taxes only makes them buy up more of their stock. Trickle down economics means they hoard money more and don't increase the pay. Theres . literally nothing that shows W that of millions ofit actually helps the economy other than stock buyback.

Every bill should be passed to put a stop to any messing around or loopholes and smash that min wage right up. Tie their hands behind their back. There’s tens of millions of us. Any messing in Congress reef them out by the tie and boot them down the steps.

 

[SteveSC]

Blah blah blah

So you agree with the Trump lover then? You liked my post then replied with this. Odd person.