Current Affairs 2020 Democratic Primary

[tsubaki]

How many of these are Russian bots though? It's more than we think

Carrying out the abuse? Probably most of them are either bits, trolls or are otherwise fraudulent accounts.

 

[Ruairi77]

How many of these are Russian bots though? It's more than we think

Sure, probably a lot, but also a lot of Sanders supporters I know from '16.

 

[Huyton Layne]

I sarcasticly voted Bloomberg in this poll when it first started. I hope those 5 votes he ended up with didn't spur him on to keep going. Odious little troll.

 

[Ruairi77]

Carrying out the abuse? Probably most of them are either bits, trolls or are otherwise fraudulent accounts.

Even if they are, why are the bots tearing Sanders opponents apart, could it be that Trump beats Sanders handily in the general?

As for Sanders base being cult like, they are comparable to Trump voters in that they are not, in any way, voting for the party. They have no interest in down ballot candidates, which is ironic as Sanders, more than any other candidates, needs a blue wave to enact anything he's promised.
I see AOC is rolling back on the possibility of implementing Sanders medicare for all plan.

 

[abelard]

They have no interest in down ballot candidates, which is ironic as Sanders, more than any other candidates, needs a blue wave to enact anything he's promised.

With as much respect as is possible and without wanting to further trigger sensitivities, what are you basing this on? It is simply not true.

 

[LinekersLegs]

With as much respect as is possible and without wanting to further trigger sensitivities, what are you basing this on? It is simply not true.

As far as I am aware Sanders, unlike some of the other candidates, does not support ending the Senate filibuster. To therefore get policies like Medicare for All he needs more Senate votes (or at least the parts that can’t be done through executive order) so needs a larger blue wave to achieve that greater Senate representation.

 

[abelard]

As far as I am aware Sanders, unlike some of the other candidates, does not support ending the Senate filibuster. To therefore get policies like Medicare for All he needs more Senate votes (or at least the parts that can’t be done through executive order) so needs a larger blue wave to achieve that greater Senate representation.

That might be true, but it doesn't suggest they have no interest in down ballot candidates. The opposite, in fact.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

и я предваряю это словами: я не собираюсь голосовать за Берни Сандерса. Мне нравится многое из того, что он говорит о внешней политике и наблюдении - действительно, потому что Сандерс не обдумывает слова, мне часто нравится это больше, чем то, что я слышу от других демократов. И некоторые из его осуждений американской олигархии вызывают слабый, но очень мелодичный аккорд. Но затем вы переходите к его прежней двусмысленности в отношении коммунистических диктатур, его экономической программе «Каракас на Атлантике», его нежеланию платить за свои новые расходы, его экстремизму в отношении абортов. Эти вещи составляют основную часть его сообщения, и поэтому для меня это трудный проход.

Но, Господи, я получу искушение.

Демократическая партия и ее союзники сейчас используют все антитела, которые им нужны, чтобы остановить Сандерса. Редакция New York Times назвала повестку дня Сандерса «чрезмерно жесткой, непроверенной и противоречивой». Джеймс Карвилл, который, как я думал, давно превратился в пугало, назвал сторонников Сандерса «культом», а самого Сандерса - «коммунистом». Бывший генеральный директор Goldman Sachs Ллойд Бланкфейн намекнул, что Сандерс будет поддержан русскими. MSNBC был количественно отрицательным по отношению к сенатору Вермонта. И это еще до того, как мы обратим время на 2016 год и вспомним, как DNC пытался сфальсифицировать праймериз против Сандерса, как Донна Бразил провозила контрабандой темы дебатов в кампанию Клинтона, как Сандерс был по-королевски и основательно обвинен в преступлении, предлагая домашняя критика миссис Клинтон вульгарной транзакционализма.

Вы думаете об этих вещах и говорите себе, черт возьми, разве не было бы забавно ткнуть этим людям в глаза? Разве не было бы приятно наблюдать, как одна из тех подковообразных панелей CNN на 128 человек задыхается в Сандерсе, проводящем номинацию? Это, конечно, было одной из причин, по которой республиканцы поддержали Дональда Трампа: они хотели назло политическим учреждениям страны и СМИ, которые постоянно говорили им, что Трамп не победит, не победит, не победит. Это политика трансгрессии. Вряд ли это ново, но в эпоху, когда мы постоянно наводнены говорящими головами, многие из которых самодовольны и говорят одно и то же, искушение совершить преступление стало еще сильнее, чем когда-либо. И почему бы нет? Кингсли Эмис однажды сказал: «Если ты не можешь никого раздражать, то в написании слов нет смысла». То же самое можно сказать и о голосовании.

Есть и более веская причина, чтобы насмехаться над Сандерсом: очень многие из тех, кто гулял по поводу его восхождения, постоянно ошибались в течение очень долгого времени. (Серьезно, кого, чёрт возьми, разбили лагерь перед их телевизором, отчаянно ожидающего, чтобы Ллойд Бланкфейн взвесил? Правительство выручило Goldman Sachs на сумму 10 миллиардов долларов; это должно, по крайней мере, купить нам его молчание.) Если вы хотите Я знаю, почему у Сандерса все хорошо, потому что он обещает самое резкое исправление курса вдали от Бланкфейнов мира, которые, по мнению Миллениалов, затмили их будущее. Увы, его решения неосуществимы. И политика трансгрессии в конечном итоге пустая - сейчас у нас ее слишком много, особенно в Республиканской партии. Тем не менее, может быть, демократы окажутся в маринаде. Чем больше они сопротивляются Сандерсу, тем более заманчивым он становится.

Edit: Whoops

Insufferable

 

[LinekersLegs]

That might be true, but it doesn't suggest they have no interest in down ballot candidates. The opposite, in fact.

Ah, I was addressing the latter bit of your statement. My guess on “interest in down ballot candidates“ would be that lack of concern about the electoral fate of some of the more moderate House members who were elected in formerly Republican districts in 2018 or senators like Joe Manchin.

 

[abelard]

Ah, I was addressing the latter bit of your statement. My guess on “interest in down ballot candidates“ would be that lack of concern about the electoral fate of some of the more moderate House members who were elected in formerly Republican districts in 2018 or senators like Joe Manchin.

I mean... Manchin's daughter (of Epipen price-gouge fame) is literally funding an anti-Sanders superPAC, so... it'd be a bit rich to complain in his case.

I'm just not sure what the original claim is based on. Sanders was very generous with his email list in 2016 which was a godsend for hundreds of downballot candidates, including arch Clinton supporters.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

I mean... Manchin's daughter (of Epipen price-gouge fame) is literally funding an anti-Sanders superPAC, so... it'd be a bit rich to complain in his case.

I'm just not sure what the original claim is based on. Sanders was very generous with his email list in 2016 which was a godsend for hundreds of downballot candidates, including arch Clinton supporters.

(Sanders) =/= (Sanders supporters)

Unless I’m misreading @Ruairi77 posts, she’s not once said that Bernie isn’t interested in down ballot races

(Edit: mistagged the wrong person)

 

[LinekersLegs]

I mean... Manchin's daughter is literally funding anti-Sanders super PAC, so...

I'm just not sure what the original claim is based on. Sanders was very generous with his email list in 2016 which was a godsend for hundreds of downballot candidates, including arch Clinton supporters.

I never knew that although it doesn’t exactly surprise me!

I’ll leave @Ruairi77 to explain his point in his own words without further guessing by me.

However, I do find situations such a Manchin interesting. I would obviously prefer that he is replaced by a more progressive candidate but what risks does that raise in losing the seat to a Republican? I know your answer is likely that West Virginia is just itching to vote for a Sanders like candidate if only the dastardly dems would put one up but what if you are wrong?!

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

I never knew that although it doesn’t exactly surprise me!

I’ll leave @Ruairi77 to explain his point in his own words without further guessing by me.

However, I do find situations such a Manchin interesting. I would obviously prefer that he is replaced by a more progressive candidate but what risks does that raise in losing the seat to a Republican? I know your answer is likely that West Virginia is just itching to vote for a Sanders like candidate if only the dastardly dems would put one up but what if you are wrong?!

Man himself daughter is a bit of a wrong’un.

Though to be fair to Manchin (which I generally try not to be) he’s actually spoken out against her actions in industry on at least a couple of occasions.

re: Manchin himself... I’ll take him over a Republican in much the same way as I’d take Bloomberg over Trump, every day and twice on Sundays

 

[SteveSC]

Man himself daughter is a bit of a wrong’un.

Though to be fair to Manchin (which I generally try not to be) he’s actually spoken out against her actions in industry on at least a couple of occasions.

re: Manchin himself... I’ll take him over a Republican in much the same way as I’d take Bloomberg over Trump, every day and twice on Sundays

I dont know, Manchin is a wolf in sheeps clothing.

He generally sides with Republicans in voting unless the other democrats put real pressure on him.

Even then he generally sides with them. For good reason too. He's afraid to lose his seat given the staunch red district he covers.

So it's no surprise to hear about the antics of his daughter.

 

[mezzrow]