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dholliday said:
As you know I don't live in USA so my perspective is only limited to a few ammie friends, plenty of assorted European lefty types and tons of online news/comment consumption. But from my perspective about two-thirds of the commentariat were genuinely afraid of a Trump presidency during his run, and doubly-so after he won. You only have to see those youtube montages of shocked reactions from liberal anchors to see the fear.

Re: Cortez, I honestly don't see that fear. And if she's too young to run in 2020, and possibly too young in 2024 too, then there's even less grounds to be 'terrified' of her.

We'll have to agree to disagree, tho' happy to give you the floor on this one as you live there.
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It’s different. People were amused by trump, then appalled, but no one thought he’d win, the day after the election there was fear and that only worsened as it became clear that he was only going to represent his base and not the country.
The fear of AOC is different. She’s a freshman congress woman. No one should be interested in her but right wing media outlets are falling over themselves to vilify her. Trump is seen as a freakish populist backlash to Obama, a blip. AOC is seen as a fundamental change to the American way of life.
 
Prevenger17 said:
For sure. But, pragmatically speaking, you have to play the game to win. I think the Democrats would take winning with an imperfect candidate over taking a principled stand against latent discrimination and potentially seeing Trump win a second term.

Also, if we're both hinting subtly at a bias against women (and I think we are), that may not be the case either. I reckon if AOC was old enough to be eligible, she'd be a shoe-in.
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Talking about a shoe-in female candidate if she ran...
www.axios.com

Wisconsin swing voters sour on Trump's personality ahead of 2020

Touting a strong economy and low unemployment numbers isn't cutting it anymore.
www.axios.com www.axios.com
Between the lines: While many of these voters are completely disenchanted with Trump, they're not excited about any of the Democratic candidates. The only Democrat they are excited about is Michelle Obama, and she's not running.
  • But the things they like about her highlight the qualities they're not seeing in Trump.
  • "She's honest. She has good morals. Her family has been raised properly. There's no hiding with them. You're not going to uncover some funny secret in the past. She is who she is and this is what you get," said White.
  • Others mentioned her values, and said she's optimistic and dynamic.
 
LinekersLegs said:
Talking about a shoe-in female candidate if she ran...
www.axios.com

Wisconsin swing voters sour on Trump's personality ahead of 2020

Touting a strong economy and low unemployment numbers isn't cutting it anymore.
www.axios.com www.axios.com
Between the lines: While many of these voters are completely disenchanted with Trump, they're not excited about any of the Democratic candidates. The only Democrat they are excited about is Michelle Obama, and she's not running.
  • But the things they like about her highlight the qualities they're not seeing in Trump.
  • "She's honest. She has good morals. Her family has been raised properly. There's no hiding with them. You're not going to uncover some funny secret in the past. She is who she is and this is what you get," said White.
  • Others mentioned her values, and said she's optimistic and dynamic.
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Aye, Michelle would be a superb candidate. I suspect she's too smart to put herself through a presidency
 
Elizabeth Warren is leagues ahead of anyone else on either side of the spectrum when it comes to quality, well thought out policies.

She would be a phenomenal President.

If she ends up being effectively disqualified because Trump keeps yelling "Pocahontas" over and over, everyone should just pack up and go home.

PS. I'm also liking Mayor Pete more and more every time I see him speak.
 
BirkenheadBlue said:
If she ends up being effectively disqualified because Trump keeps yelling "Pocahontas" over and over, everyone should just pack up and go home.
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That's not quite the reason, you're being disingenuous. Or do you think she apologised to the Cherokee Nation because of Trump? She's been identifying herself as a Native American for decades, this includes positive discrimination perks, despite not really being one. When she attempted to prove she really was one, the DNA results showed such a minuscule link that it offended Native American societies. Warren however claimed vindication. This offended even more. She apologised.

Trump has bested her, as it was his sarcastic Pocahontas naming that prompted her to do the DNA test in the first place, subsequently outing her as a fraud, and as a loser (in the eyes of the general electorate).

I also think she has good positive policies, but she is not gonna come back from this mess.

Sure, we can argue Trump has tons more damaging stuff in his history, and I would agree with that. But the point is in the eyes of the electorate Trump's wrongdoings often made him the winner of things, while Warren's has made her a loser. This is important in USofA. The American Dream tells us anyone can win, it also tells us not to respect losers.

Personally I don't have much time for such a dog-eat-dog philosophy, but there it is. Maybe our American blues can confirm further.
 
Warren has called for an end to the electoral college.
Also, @dholliday, you're giving trump too much credit for Scott Browns tactics. Worth noting that Warren destroyed Brown.
Still tho, she should have 'gotten out in front of it' as they say.
 
Ruairi77 said:
Warren has called for an end to the electoral college.
Also, @dholliday, you're giving trump too much credit for Scott Browns tactics. Worth noting that Warren destroyed Brown.
Still tho, she should have 'gotten out in front of it' as they say.
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Scott Brown suggested in 2016 she should take a DNA test to prove her heritage. It was poor judgement on Warren's part to take him up on that. She won't beat Trump in 2020.
 
I'm supporting Warren in the primaries, provided she doesn't drop out before their conclusion. Her policy proposals have teeth and draw upon the work she's been doing for years to rein in income inequality and humanize market systems, and I think she's generally much better on process than her fellow candidates, which allows her, more than most, the chance not only to call for change but to also describe the machinery by which it could work. I trust her more than anyone in the field to get substantive matters right.

But the past few days' Celebration of Beto!™ suggests a real hunger for a charming and anodyne young white guy who smiles a lot, used to be in a band, and won't trouble you with any policy specifics. Roll out the "Kennedyesque" appraisals and bless young Beto with comparisons to the most overrated Dem POTUS in the nation's history. Meanwhile I'll be in Massachusetts, vomiting into a bucket.
 
sdk said:
I'm supporting Warren in the primaries, provided she doesn't drop out before their conclusion. Her policy proposals have teeth and draw upon the work she's been doing for years to rein in income inequality and humanize market systems, and I think she's generally much better on process than her fellow candidates, which allows her, more than most, the chance not only to call for change but to also describe the machinery by which it could work. I trust her more than anyone in the field to get substantive matters right.

But the past few days' Celebration of Beto!™ suggests a real hunger for a charming and anodyne young white guy who smiles a lot, used to be in a band, and won't trouble you with any policy specifics. Roll out the "Kennedyesque" appraisals and bless young Beto with comparisons to the most overrated Dem POTUS in the nation's history. Meanwhile I'll be in Massachusetts, vomiting into a bucket.
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Warren/O'Rourke would be a decent ticket!
 
Ruairi77 said:
yes, he said it in 2016 and 2015, 14, 13, and 2012. Trust me, it was on my doorstep.
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ok mate. Warren relented, and came off the worse for it.

Whereas everyone's been asking Trump for his tax returns for years, he still hasn't delivered. He's not arsed, and neither are his followers.

It's a winners and losers game. Warren only stands a chance if Trump doesn't run in 2020. Pence is too drily-obsequious to win.
 
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