Current Affairs 2017 General Election

2017 general election

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 24 6.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 264 71.0%
  • Tories

    Votes: 41 11.0%
  • Cheese on the ballot paper

    Votes: 35 9.4%
  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.1%

  • Total voters
    372
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It's up to the political system and political parties to entice these people to vote. We saw a much higher turn out in the EU referendum because the issue struck a chord and the voting system was deemed fairer. Too easy to just label 40 odd percent of the voting age population stupid I'm afraid - why aren't they engaged?
But that's the problem isn't it. It suits the establishment for less people to vote so why would they alter the system that suits them best? It's in the establishment's interest for people to not be engaged so people need to wake up and punish the establishment by voting against them.

The reason the referendum was so different was because it was branded "once in a lifetime" and that there was "no going back". Had both sides agreed and publicly said they wanted to hold a referendum every five years or so I sincerely doubt we'd of seen numbers even close to what we did.

If these people are waiting for the government/opposition to do the fight thing and engage these people properly I'm afraid they're in for a long wait. Publicly the will champion the idea but practically they simply aren't interested. Prehaps labelling them stupid was overly harsh on my part (and i didn't mean everyone of them) but I stand by my orignal point that I think most of them are foolish in the extreme to not to vote because there are options out there then just the Conservatives and Labour.
 

Theresa May is not just breaking her promises – she is breaking our politics
Clive Lewis
They once called themselves the one-nation party. But under this leader, the Conservatives look like they hope to run a one-party nation.

Thursday 20 April 2017 16.38 BSTLast modified on Thursday 20 April 2017 21.52 BST

Yesterday I voted against the government’s motion for an early election. Not because I want to see the Tories in office for another day, of course – I want to see them out of power and would have voted against them in a confidence motion without a second thought – but because this is yet another example of their cynical contempt for democratic norms.

The Fixed-term Parliaments Act was already more about the fix than about parliament. It suited the Tories to bind together the coalition at the time. Now it suits them to rip it up.

And so much for the prime minister’s promise – to her own MPs and to the rest of the country – that there would be no snap general election.

This is far from her only broken promise, of course. We all watched her most recent budget collapse into chaos when its centre-piece broke a manifesto pledge on national insurance – something the chancellor apparently only realised when the BBC pointed it out.

When Theresa May launched her campaign for the Tory leadership she set out a vision for workers on company boards and a crackdown on runaway executive pay. She said that “a vision is nothing without the determination to see it through”. As shadow business secretary, I saw her determination melt in the face of big business opposition, and her vision was only that – an illusion.

And my constituents in Norwich South have borne the consequences even more directly. The Tories made solemn promises to increase NHS spending every year, and that funding for every school pupil would increase. Yet Norwich and other Norfolk and Waveney health staff are being told to make £300m worth of cuts by 2021, and May now proposes a new funding formula that would see local schools lose £41m by 2019 – equivalent to 1,100 teachers.

But it is not just in our public services or pay packets where we see the cost of these broken promises. It’s now seeping into the very fabric of our democracy.

Theresa May’s snap election stunt was more than just political opportunism. All parties will use events to their own advantage. The difference now is the sheer scale and scope of the attack on our democracy by the Tories in government.

Take their plans to create sweeping temporary powers for ministers, via the “great repeal bill”, to change legislation without Parliament’s approval. Or its decision to limit Ofcom’s investigation into Rupert Murdoch’s Sky bid to the woefully inadequate 40 days.

Wherever you look, from full-spectrum dominance of the UK media, abuses of 2015 election spending, to the ever encroaching power of unaccountable private providers in public services – the shift of power to the wealthy and already powerful is proceeding at an unprecedented pace.

And it is part of a pattern. Conservativesused to be committed to protecting the constitution. But since taking power, they have used every trick in the book to make sure they can keep it, including rewriting the rules.

They have already cracked down on trade unions and charities, undermined the BBC in favour of rival broadcasters, attempted to reduce our rights in areas such as judicial review and freedom of information, stacked the House of Lords while trying to rig the Commons and disenfranchising swaths of the electorate, and choked off funding for opposition parties while politicising the civil service and protecting the millions they get from big business.

And May is continuing in the same vein. She does not look like someone intending to lead a one-nation party so much as a one-party nation.

That is what is now at stake in this election. Another five years of Tory rule with all the terrible consequences that will have is bad enough. But it is clear they will attempt to use those years to reshape our politics in a far more fundamental and sinister way.

Theresa May is not just breaking her promises, she is breaking our politics. Thursday 8 June is the day she feels she has the best chance of finishing the job. She must not be allowed to succeed
 
Probably because they feel that whoever wins won't have much practical effect on their lives.

I confess that I haven't always bothered to vote. I work at a polling station in elections and at times I hadn't sorted out my postal vote but it was mainly because I fell into the "they're all the same" category polled by GOTs official pollster @hullefc.

In Corbyn though Labour have a leader I trust and have views fairly closely aligned with. I accept that a lot of people don't feel that but I am inspired this time and will vote for the party because he is leader.
I completely get the distaste that people have for politics mate and I can understand why they would think that whoever is in power wouldn't really effect them. I've thought the same myself in the past but unfortunately it really does effect us all. There are always options out there. I know quite a few TUSC members who swear by it. There are lots of other smaller party's around that represent a much more wider set of values for everyone. They don't get the exposure that the Conservatives, Labour or even the Lib Dems and UKIP get but they're out there. If everyone researched more I'm sure they'd find a party for them. I'm not trying to be a smartarse btw, we shouldn't have to look to closely for other party's as they should have a bigger platform as the bigger party's but that won't happen any time soon I'm afraid.
 
But that's the problem isn't it. It suits the establishment for less people to vote so why would they alter the system that suits them best? It's in the establishment's interest for people to not be engaged so people need to wake up and punish the establishment by voting against them.

The reason the referendum was so different was because it was branded "once in a lifetime" and that there was "no going back". Had both sides agreed and publicly said they wanted to hold a referendum every five years or so I sincerely doubt we'd of seen numbers even close to what we did.

If these people are waiting for the government/opposition to do the fight thing and engage these people properly I'm afraid they're in for a long wait. Publicly the will champion the idea but practically they simply aren't interested. Prehaps labelling them stupid was overly harsh on my part (and i didn't mean everyone of them) but I stand by my orignal point that I think most of them are foolish in the extreme to not to vote because there are options out there then just the Conservatives and Labour.

Agree with this but add that for the referendum the political class actually engaged the public, contributing to the turnout.
 
People really need to understand the mind set of the establishment. They regard democracy and the democratic process as an inconvenience and a necessarily evil that must be suffered though to pacify the masses. Once they've got the tedious business of elections out if the way once every five years or so they can carry on with the "important" business of running the country. Something that's far to complicated for us poor ignorant fools to understand. This is why we all need to think very hard about a second referendum. Once we go down the road of saying that the powers that be don't have to comply with what we the chattering masses vote for via majority rule, you offer them they very thing they've always wanted. A way around the democratic process. All "in the interests of the people" of course
 
People really need to understand the mind set of the establishment. They regard democracy and the democratic process as an inconvenience and a necessarily evil that must be suffered though to pacify the masses. Once they've got the tedious business of elections out if the way once every five years or so they can carry on with the "important" business of running the country. Something that's far to complicated for us poor ignorant fools to understand. This is why we all need to think very hard about a second referendum. Once we go down the road of saying that the powers that be don't have to comply with what we the chattering masses vote for via majority rule, you offer them they very thing they've always wanted. A way around the democratic process. All "in the interests of the people" of course

To be honest, they're right. In various studies, the political knowledge of the general public is absolutely awful, even to the extent of not knowing who their MP is. If we typically fail to get basic questions right, what are the chances that most people have the first clue about healthcare, economics or any of the other things that are so often so crucial during elections?
 
To be honest, they're right. In various studies, the political knowledge of the general public is absolutely awful, even to the extent of not knowing who their MP is. If we typically fail to get basic questions right, what are the chances that most people have the first clue about healthcare, economics or any of the other things that are so often so crucial during elections?
Oh well why offer us the right to vote then? We'd all be happier under the rule of a benevolent dictatorship by that logic. If people are truly that ignorant (and I don't believe the majority are) then maybe the government should do more to educate people more effectively so they are more informed and then engage them properly. That's an awful mind set you have there imo. These "various studies" you mention couldn't be politically motivated at all by these so called experts could they?
 
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To be honest, they're right. In various studies, the political knowledge of the general public is absolutely awful, even to the extent of not knowing who their MP is. If we typically fail to get basic questions right, what are the chances that most people have the first clue about healthcare, economics or any of the other things that are so often so crucial during elections?

Which is why it was madness in the extreme to put so complicated a referendum topic as Brexit to the general populous
 
Do you think we should have the right to vote in elections? Or are we to stupid to decided properly on that issue to?

No that's not what I've said at all.

Big difference between electing an individual to represent views in parliament to voting on the economic and political detachment from Europe. It turned it into a moral issue, which it wasn't.

Also it is "too".
 
No that's not what I've said at all.

Big difference between electing an individual to represent views in parliament to voting on the economic and political detachment from Europe. It turned it into a moral issue, which it wasn't.

Also it is "too".
I'm afraid you'll have to excuse my dyslexia if it offends you. I try not to slip frequently but at times I miss the most obvious things.
 
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