Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

And leave voters would be just as angry as remainers now and would find lots of data to "prove" enough people had changed their minds again and wanted a third referendum after which remain would repeat the cycle. The first referendum wouldn't of been democratic because it was never upheld and in the end was dismissed. People do have a right to change their minds but they also have to live with their decisions in life. Now you can say that isn't fair as a remainer you having to live with the decision of others but that's majority rule for you.

If there was a second vote and it reversed the decision, that'd be majority rule. You can't have both sides of that argument I'm afraid.

As for the first vote in that scenario somehow being undemocratic because it didn't get actioned, that'd also be piffle, as the first democratic vote would have been overturned by a second democratic vote.

 

[Donald Twain]

Theresa May to a nurse who hasnt had a pay rise in 8 years " there's no magic money tree" , to the DUP to keep her job " abracadabra here's 1.5 billion" !!

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Thersa May to a nurse who hasnt had a pay rise in 8 years " there's no magic money tree" , to the DUP to keep her job " abracadabra here's 1.5 billion" !!

Spending £1BN of the treasurys funds to prop up her weak and wobbly administration.

For shame.

 

[TheBlueGibbon]

Theresa May to a nurse who hasnt had a pay rise in 8 years " there's no magic money tree" , to the DUP to keep her job " abracadabra here's 1.5 billion" !!

Could be more than that according to Robert Peston.

PPS DUP sources tell me I have undervalued the wonga they have prised from the Treasury.

They say that a relaxation of constraints on access to an existing £500m pot for education investment, under the 2014 Stormont House Agreement, should be factored in by me.

And also that the promise that NI will get some additional Enterprise Zones will be highly valuable.

So in total the package of support they've won is certainly more than £1.5bn - and possibly as much as the rumored £2bn they were demanding.

 

[Donald Twain]

Spending £1BN of the treasurys funds to prop up her weak and wobbly administration.

For shame.

Tbh she should be strung up for this !

 

[Bluerover]

Further to my earlier post, Brexit prima facie would save UK £ 8.6 Bn as net contributors.

I had reduced that by the £ 3Bn CAP payments, but now it looks like I also need to reduce by a further £ 3 Bn minimum to cover this Barnett Formula.

So net saving p.a. in cash of Brexit is about £ 2.6 Bn - that is before UK starts paying for any negative consequences such as increased social security budget etc.

 

[TheBlueGibbon]

Tbh she should be strung up for this !

Not just her, it's between the chief whips rather than the leaders.

From the link I posted above:
PPPS (if there is such a thing) Damian Green has confirmed to me that the DUP pact would continue, even if Theresa May stood down as PM - because it is an agreement between the parties, signed by the two chief whips, and not between the parties' leaders.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

If there was a second vote and it reversed the decision, that'd be majority rule. You can't have both sides of that argument I'm afraid.

As for the first vote in that scenario somehow being undemocratic because it didn't get actioned, that'd also be piffle, as the first democratic vote would have been overturned by a second democratic vote.

But why should the second majority rule superseded the other? What would make on vote more vaild then the other?

Look mate, I admire your commitment to the cause you bealieve in but it's obvious we'll never agree on this or even slightly sway one another to thinking differently so rather then is going round In circles for ages i think we'd be better off leaving it here for now.

Just so you know I'm I'm not arguing as I am because leave won, I'd still be massively opposed to a second referendum if it had been a result for remain.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

But why should the second majority rule superseded the other? What would make on vote more vaild then the other?

Look mate, I admire your commitment to the cause you bealieve in but it's obvious we'll never agree on this or even slightly sway one another to thinking differently so rather then is going round In circles for ages i think we'd be better off leaving it here for now.

Just so you know I'm I'm not arguing as I am because leave won, I'd still be massively opposed to a second referendum if it had been a result for remain.

Because it'd be the barometer of how the nation felt on the issue in the present. It'd supersede the previous one same as the 2017 GE superseded the 2015 one, that's sort of how this democracy thing works mate

 

[orchard]

Further to my earlier post, Brexit prima facie would save UK £ 8.6 Bn as net contributors.

I had reduced that by the £ 3Bn CAP payments, but now it looks like I also need to reduce by a further £ 3 Bn minimum to cover this Barnett Formula.

So net saving p.a. in cash of Brexit is about £ 2.6 Bn - that is before UK starts paying for any negative consequences such as increased social security budget etc.

Haha, i'm not sure I read you entirely correctly, but if the Barnett formula is applied, I think Wales should get something like the same as NI, and Scotland something like 150%-200%, I think....

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Because it'd be the barometer of how the nation felt on the issue in the present. It'd supersede the previous one same as the 2017 GE superseded the 2015 one, that's sort of how this democracy thing works mate

You've hooked me in on this last one mate!lol

You must see that a referendum isn't the same as a election?!

 

[Bluerover]

Haha, i'm not sure I read you entirely correctly, but if the Barnett formula is applied, I think Wales should get something like the same as NI, and Scotland something like 150%-200%, I think....

So the saving would then be just £ 1.6 to 2.1 Bn pa.

That is a paltry financial saving compared with the massive disruption Brexit is causing and will cause.

I read that at least 759 international treaties will need to be re-negotiated. What will be the travel & expenses bill on doing all of that?

I wonder if the electorate was offered a new referendum how many would like to have another go......

 

[orchard]

So the saving would then be just £ 1.6 to 2.1 Bn pa.

That is a paltry financial saving compared with the massive disruption Brexit is causing and will cause.

I read that at least 759 international treaties will need to be re-negotiated. What will be the travel & expenses bill on doing all of that?

I wonder if the electorate was offered a new referendum how many would like to have another go......

That's once the legal challenge(s) to the DUP deal have been dealt with...the Tory Scottish Secretary will go back on his word, and the devolved regions besides NI will then challenge the security of the Stable One...there's also SF and the Irish government to placate, and then get on with Brexit and the manifesto, which in turn throws up even more issues regarding Ireland/NI, devolved issues that May's trying to play hard ball with.

 

[Lord Buckethead]

Spending £1BN of the treasurys funds to prop up her weak and wobbly administration.

For shame.

Maybot does not expect to be around long enough to have to pay it out. She has nothing to lose by agreeing to it.

 

[orchard]

So the saving would then be just £ 1.6 to 2.1 Bn pa.

That is a paltry financial saving compared with the massive disruption Brexit is causing and will cause.

I read that at least 759 international treaties will need to be re-negotiated. What will be the travel & expenses bill on doing all of that?

I wonder if the electorate was offered a new referendum how many would like to have another go......

-oh, and besides people who may have changed their minds, I think 500,000 die in the UK every year, so that's probably a good percentage of the leave vote gone over the last year just through that and the weighting of the 'out' vote towards the elderly.