tsubaki
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Up to 1983 it was official Labour policy to leave.
Current Affairs 2017 General Election
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Up to 1983 it was official Labour policy to leave.
Gwladysstreetlad
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You can't knock the guy for his referendum campaign. He ran by far the best remain campagin of the lot (not like the others were any good though) and was outrageously blamed for the leave vote by the Blairites who were looming for any excuse to attack him. He put is personal feelings aside and went with the party's call to remain.
roydo
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tsubaki
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It is, though the Bennites continued to hold it until they died off and hence why Gwladysstreetlad used "long before" in his sentence.
roydo
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No one ran a good remain campaign. Corbyn was just about silent on it.
Not blaming him, but some terrific rewriting of history here.
He has just run one of the best GE campaigns that I can recall, something he wanted to win. The utter sterile performance in the EU campaign kinda tells me he was quite happy we left.
To be honest, I have little or no respect for politicians - self serving and will heed the call of their party above personal integrity.
Vault me on this.
Gwladysstreetlad
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Depends how far back your memories go mate. Corbyn was always against our joining the common market and never made a secret of it. He put party before his own personal feelings during the referendum. The Blairite aren't left-wing or socialists and never were, they won by out Torying the Tory's. It was Ted Heath who dragged us in, Thatcher who took us further in and Major who signed the Maastricht treaty . The common Market/EU is a troy project and always has been.
roydo
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Fair enough. So was a hypocrite then?
Gwladysstreetlad
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Corbyn ran a positive campaign which actually put forward some of the positives of the EU. He didn't attract the media attention of Cameron because it wasn't about name calling and slander. He didn't give the media sound bites so they weren't interested. His remain campagin was the best by a mile. He went against his own beliefs and campaigned to remain because it's what the party wanted and he was unfairly blamed for its failure.
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Gwladysstreetlad
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Not for me, he was going to get attacked regardless of the outcome. I think he was and still is secretly delighted with the out vote but a leader sometimes has to out aside their own personal feelings and do what's best for the party.
roydo
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We will never agree
If he fought to stay in, in the same way he fought to be PM, then maybe we still would be.
He didnt, he was not remotely arsed. As you have alluded to. "A long held socialist aim to be out". Sort of.
Corbyn at the moment.
abelard
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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-tory-party-on-death-row-says-sacked-minister
The Conservatives face being sent into the political wilderness unless they fundamentally reform, including changing the party’s name, a former minister sacked by Theresa May has said.
Robert Halfon, who lost his frontbench role as minister for skills on Tuesday, said the Conservative party was “on death row” and had failed to offer a positive vision to voters.
The Harlow MP was scathing about the election campaign in which the prime minister lost her Commons majority, saying the Tories did not have a message to rival Labour’s promise to stand up “for the many not the few”.
Writing in the Sun, he said: “The Conservative party is on death row. Unless we reform our values, our membership offering and our party infrastructure, we face defeat at the next election – and potentially years of opposition.
“If we don’t change it wouldn’t matter if we had Alexander the Great or the Archangel Gabriel as leader. We face the wilderness.”
In an attack aimed at the Tory hierarchy – and campaign guru Sir Lynton Crosby – Halfon said: “Our election campaign portrayed us as a party devoid of values. ‘Strong and stable’ is hardly a battle cry. I cannot remember a time in the campaign when the Conservatives attempted to explain what we are really about: the party of the ladder, of aspiration and of opportunity.
“We let ourselves be perceived primarily as the party of ‘austerity’, failing entirely to campaign on our record of a strong economy or strong employment.
“Virtually nothing was said on the NHS or schools or the caring professions that work within them. Instead we created fear among pensioners, and threatened to take away school meals, handing a gift to our opponents. Is it any wonder that the Conservatives did not get a majority?”
Halfon said May had struck the right tone when she entered No 10, but her message had been lost during the election. “When the prime minister first stood on the steps of Downing Street and talked about a Britain that works for everyone I thought she had nailed it. When we launched measures to help workers in the early stages of the election, I thought, perhaps, people might vote for us with their hearts as well as their heads.
“Like Labour, we had a moral message. Then it all got lost. Now may be our last chance to rediscover the moral compass that points to real victory.”
Halfon suggested a change of name to “the Workers party” or “the Conservative Workers party” with a new symbol. He also demanded a campaign message focused on a “workers’ charter” promising to boost skills, wages, rights, the NHS and measures to curb the rising cost of living by cutting fuel duty and capping energy bills.
Under Halfon’s plans, the Tory tree symbol would be replaced by a ladder suggesting the party’s desire to help people improve their lives.
He told BBC’s Newsnight: “I genuinely believe we face potential calamity as a party because people do not understand our values, they see us just in terms of austerity. We have failed to get our message about being the party of the ladder of opportunity across and we failed to get a message that we are also the party for the poor.”
The Conservatives face being sent into the political wilderness unless they fundamentally reform, including changing the party’s name, a former minister sacked by Theresa May has said.
Robert Halfon, who lost his frontbench role as minister for skills on Tuesday, said the Conservative party was “on death row” and had failed to offer a positive vision to voters.
The Harlow MP was scathing about the election campaign in which the prime minister lost her Commons majority, saying the Tories did not have a message to rival Labour’s promise to stand up “for the many not the few”.
Writing in the Sun, he said: “The Conservative party is on death row. Unless we reform our values, our membership offering and our party infrastructure, we face defeat at the next election – and potentially years of opposition.
“If we don’t change it wouldn’t matter if we had Alexander the Great or the Archangel Gabriel as leader. We face the wilderness.”
In an attack aimed at the Tory hierarchy – and campaign guru Sir Lynton Crosby – Halfon said: “Our election campaign portrayed us as a party devoid of values. ‘Strong and stable’ is hardly a battle cry. I cannot remember a time in the campaign when the Conservatives attempted to explain what we are really about: the party of the ladder, of aspiration and of opportunity.
“We let ourselves be perceived primarily as the party of ‘austerity’, failing entirely to campaign on our record of a strong economy or strong employment.
“Virtually nothing was said on the NHS or schools or the caring professions that work within them. Instead we created fear among pensioners, and threatened to take away school meals, handing a gift to our opponents. Is it any wonder that the Conservatives did not get a majority?”
Halfon said May had struck the right tone when she entered No 10, but her message had been lost during the election. “When the prime minister first stood on the steps of Downing Street and talked about a Britain that works for everyone I thought she had nailed it. When we launched measures to help workers in the early stages of the election, I thought, perhaps, people might vote for us with their hearts as well as their heads.
“Like Labour, we had a moral message. Then it all got lost. Now may be our last chance to rediscover the moral compass that points to real victory.”
Halfon suggested a change of name to “the Workers party” or “the Conservative Workers party” with a new symbol. He also demanded a campaign message focused on a “workers’ charter” promising to boost skills, wages, rights, the NHS and measures to curb the rising cost of living by cutting fuel duty and capping energy bills.
Under Halfon’s plans, the Tory tree symbol would be replaced by a ladder suggesting the party’s desire to help people improve their lives.
He told BBC’s Newsnight: “I genuinely believe we face potential calamity as a party because people do not understand our values, they see us just in terms of austerity. We have failed to get our message about being the party of the ladder of opportunity across and we failed to get a message that we are also the party for the poor.”
Armel
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Was always to be expected that. It's a scramble over here to get some parts of the City. Brussels already has acquired some sort of Lloyds office thing. And there are 5 others who are willing to do similar, no major players. The strategy is clear, focus on the smaller entities; Frankfurt Paris ... are trying to coax the big ones anyway. Amsterdam is enjoying similar succes. I imagine the other northern countries are doing the same.
It fits in the new impetus I'm detecting: the buy European doctrine that's coming about. Loads of socialist parties are adding this to their program, others are becoming more sensitive.
Here for @Bruce Wayne .
http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20170521_02892072
Make no mistake they are a force to be reckoned with.
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