Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[Connor]

Fair play, ive no idea about benefits as I was off straight after uni into places where no benefits exist....so imo theres no need for benefits on a 'massive' scale only to those really in need (which sounds worse than I mean it to do)

What kind of benefits are going to be hit?

Everything.

 

[Connor]

Read that and then the paragraph above it

That was the point I was trying to make. Your point (apart from being a massive Tory) is?

 

[Zatara]

Read that and then the paragraph above it

Now that's the nail on the head.

A lot of fearmongering from the corbyn brigade over the past months....

 

[AndyC]

were you invited by known terrorist groups?

And most importantly, none of those places would give you a suntan....why didn't he just state he was a geography teacher who was mixed up with his capital cities?

You can get a suntan in those countries, not in the winter I'd agree

 

[Connor]

Now that's the nail on the head.

A lot of fearmongering from the corbyn brigade over the past months....

It's not fearmongering, it's truth. We're all watching it happen in front of our very eyes.

 

[Zatara]

Everything.

Check out the benefits system, employment etc in another island nation, Singapore....

That's the ideal model...

Frankly I think if corbyn grows in power then a lot of people are going to be astounded when the guy is acting like a friendly old man ready to give lots of free stuff to people...without a clue how to do it

Add that to his terror/war views and he only punted abbot just before the election after she was never suitable for the role.

Whats his actual business career like or those of his leadership?

 

[Zatara]

It's not fearmongering, it's truth. We're all watching it happen in front of our very eyes.

You know why you've been getting hit right? Because of the total mess labour left the economy in....it takes time to recover from that.

Labour get in and its going to be much much worse...purely from an economic standpoint

 

[hallamblue]

ok, so from outside and from a purely economical perspective....

Brexit + Labour = economy ruined.

Labour will very likely impose high business taxes and the companies/institutions already pondering downgrading in UK and moving head offices into Frankfurt and Paris would do so pronto...

Is it really favouring the rich? I think Singapore is a very interesting model to look at....

Singapore is the exact opposite of what we should be looking at. We should be looking at places like New Zealand and the Scandinavian countries. These are places where happiness is high, wealth inequality is low. They pay high wages and have high taxes. That should be what we aspire to, happiness for the whole of society, not a society where a few rich people are happy and their happiness depends on the misery and poverty of a large section of society.

 

[Connor]

You know why you've been getting hit right? Because of the total mess labour left the economy in....it takes time to recover from that.

Labour get in and its going to be much much worse...purely from an economic standpoint

There's just so much wrong in this I'm not even going to bother.

 

[evilwebby]

Tony Blair and then Brown were both disasters (yet at the time people loved blair, especially labour voters)

Blair was handed a golden economy after the Tories had completely transformed Britain during their time in office. I don't think any PM has ever been fortunate enough to have had anything similar before or since. TBF he didn't completely stuff up right away as he was largely business-neutral (utilitues windfall tax aside). He rode a massive housing bubble and was the benefactor of a technology boom and China industrialization, all of which helped the world economy at the time, including and especially Britain.

I'm sure his legacy and reputation would be completely different under a different set of circumstances, but one of his political gifts was that he always had impeccable timing and handed in his notice just before everything went tits up.

 

[Little Ralphy]

You know why you've been getting hit right? Because of the total mess labour left the economy in....it takes time to recover from that.

Labour get in and its going to be much much worse...purely from an economic standpoint

130 economists disagree.

http://www.primeeconomics.org/articles/guws3cyv3ctq9g7vg754p2zyymvc2f

 

[hallamblue]

There's just so much wrong in this I'm not even going to bother.

To be fair, its' not a question of there's so much wrong with it. Brown and Blair messed up the economy, instead of taxing people they borrowed vast amounts of money. Instead of renationalising utilities they cosied up to big business. They also got us involved in wars in the Middle East. You can't exonerate them from blame. You can, however, exonerate Corbyn from this as he voted against all of this. Labour now is not "New Labour", and you can't blame the son for the sins of the father.

 

[Zatara]

Singapore is the exact opposite of what we should be looking at. We should be looking at places like New Zealand and the Scandinavian countries. These are places where happiness is high, wealth inequality is low. They pay high wages and have high taxes. That should be what we aspire to, happiness for the whole of society, not a society where a few rich people are happy and their happiness depends on the misery and poverty of a large section of society.

You know in Singapore there are no homeless....everyone has a fair wage per job...even the cheap HDB buildings are nice inside...

Amazing safe infrastructure...everyone happy...no issues....family oriented.

 

[Zatara]

Blair was handed a golden economy after the Tories had completely transformed Britain during their time in office. I don't think any PM has ever been fortunate enough to have had anything similar before or since. TBF he didn't completely stuff up right away as he was largely business-neutral (utilitues windfall tax aside). He rode a massive housing bubble and was the benefactor of a technology boom and China industrialization, all of which helped the world economy at the time, including and especially Britain.

I'm sure his legacy and reputation would be completely different under a different set of circumstances, but one of his political gifts was that he always had impeccable timing and handed in his notice just before everything went tits up.

No foresight...

 

[Connor]

To be fair, its' not a question of there's so much wrong with it. Brown and Blair messed up the economy, instead of taxing people they borrowed vast amounts of money. Instead of renationalising utilities they cosied up to big business. They also got us involved in wars in the Middle East. You can't exonerate them from blame. You can, however, exonerate Corbyn from this as he voted against all of this. Labour now is not "New Labour", and you can't blame the son for the sins of the father.

Oh aye, that's spot on, you can't blame Corbyn for what happened under Blair and Brown. Nor can the Tories continue to use that as a stick to beat Corbyn. I took umbrage with the "the economy will be worse if labour get in" part of Zat's post. As pointed out in the reply, he's got plenty of economists on his side.

It's a different Labour Party, lead by completely different people. As Peston said yesterday, Blairism in this Labour Party is dead.