Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[The binman chronicles]

to be honest Orly she looked like she was suffering the affects of sleeping tablets or something, even by here own standards she wasn't very coherent

Very painful to watch and Dermot could sense blood and didn't let her off. You would swear it was a robot version of Abbott that the Tories had planted to do the interview.

If Corbyn had managed to unify the party sooner we could have had able politicians such as Cooper and Burnham in these prominent roles which would have given the party so much more of a chance.

 

[orly]

to be honest Orly she looked like she was suffering the affects of sleeping tablets or something, even by here own standards she wasn't very coherent

Yeah that's definitely a possibility edge. In fact when the interview was first put up on Twitter a couple of people started chatting in the comments, ostensibly ex-campaign support types , who said they'd never seen her look so unwell and maybe she was on some form of medication. Again though, her team should be blocking her interviews if they know this to be true

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Everyone needs to tell all their friends and everyone else you know that they really need to vote or their opinion is completely and utterly irrelevant and they derserve everything they get. I simply cannot stomach another cryfest like after the referendum with attention seeking idiots shouting from the rooftops about how they've been screwed over only to find out that these same morons didn't even vote.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Mind boggingly bad.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Everyone needs to tell all their friends and everyone else you know that they really need to vote or their opinion is completely and utterly irrelevant and they derserve everything they get. I simply cannot stomach another cryfest like after the referendum with attention seeking idiots shouting from the rooftops about how they've been screwed over only to find out that these same morons didn't even vote.

What exactly are we to vote for? We have a Tory party that hoodwinked people into Brexit and have fought what must rank as one of the most incompetent election campaigns in living memory, a Labour party whose manifesto is coated in fairy dust and whose cabinet are rank awful, or you've got fringe parties (and I count the Lib Dems among them) who are unlikely to make a difference.

I can't recall a time when the choices before us were so bad. It would be depressing enough if it wasn't such a crucial time in our history. May wanted this election to firm up her stance before the EU negotiations, but to be honest they must be looking at this and laughing their collective arses off.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

What exactly are we to vote for? We have a Tory party that hoodwinked people into Brexit and have fought what must rank as one of the most incompetent election campaigns in living memory, a Labour party whose manifesto is coated in fairy dust and whose cabinet are rank awful, or you've got fringe parties (and I count the Lib Dems among them) who are unlikely to make a difference.

I can't recall a time when the choices before us were so bad. It would be depressing enough if it wasn't such a crucial time in our history. May wanted this election to firm up her stance before the EU negotiations, but to be honest they must be looking at this and laughing their collective arses off.

Bruce, the Tories didn't hoodwink us into Brexit at all and you know it. David Cameron didn't want Brexit, campaigned against it and resigned because of it and Teresa May campaigned against it. It was a cross party issue with people from both the left and the right campaigning for both sides.

I do agree that it's easily the worst choices we've ever faced in a general election though. Two awful party's with terrible leaders and even worse smaller party's who have even worse leaders! But we have to be practical here, some party's will be less damaging to this country then others.

It is pure ignorance and stupidity that stops people from voting, the non-voters who do so in protest are a tiny number in reailty. It is really the stupid who can't be botherd to get off their arses for a few mins to make such an important decision who make up the vast majority of non-voters.

Oh BTW, EU officials are in no position to laugh at anyone until they get their own crumbling house in order.

 

[Black Belt Jones]

Yeah that's definitely a possibility edge. In fact when the interview was first put up on Twitter a couple of people started chatting in the comments, ostensibly ex-campaign support types , who said they'd never seen her look so unwell and maybe she was on some form of medication. Again though, her team should be blocking her interviews if they know this to be true

A charitable interpretation - She sounds bevvied tbh. I sound like that when I talk about politics after ten pints.

 

[Milkman]

The true party of the working class everybody.

 

[flibbyflob]

Diane Abbott could be Home Secretary come Friday; that's a frightening thought

I think sadly that will be a deciding factor. We all forget the last election that the polls had as close before and then the Tories won easily come the day, same will happen here I think.

 

[evilwebby]

Not long to go now.. and thank the Lord. The last 7 weeks have been like pulling teeth. It really has been the most dire, gutless and depressing campaign that I can ever recall.

Some cliff notes:

- Nobody has really talked about the economy. WTF? It's the Economy, stupid.
- The Tories have run the most inept campaign in recent history. May wanted this to become a mandate for Brexit, but general elections are always about more than a single issue, they are broadly about which party you think is most competent to run the country over the next 5 years while also accounting for personal beliefs and ideology.
- The campaign has been far too long. It has dragged, and putting a single issue at the heart of your election message only reinforces that feeling.
- YouGov's model is so far wrong.. they are going to be left looking like a$$holes by Friday morning. I've been through every single marginal seat and the thought that Labour will be winning the majority of these is incredulous. Yougov's model has basically assigned the Youth vote something like a 85% turnout based on the response to "how likely are you to vote" question. To put this into perspective, Recent national polls had youth turnout at 44% (2010), 45% (2015), 43% (2016).
- That said, Labour have undoubtedly made inroads in recent weeks.
- All this hope being placed in Tactical Voting is absolutely laughable. Here's some news: Tactical voting didn't suddenly become a thing yesterday. The ironic thing is that the Tories have just a good a base to gain from TV when you factor in the likely collapse in the UKIP vote. UKIP aren't even standing in about 200 seats which are the most vulnerable to swing Tory.
- Tories should gain more seats than a uniform national swing model predicts because of the Brexit effect. Outside of London, 400 seats voted to leave. Do you really think that they will be trusting a Lab/LD/SNP alliance to negotiate on their behalf?

Personally, I don't know if a narrow loss is better or worse for Labour. If they lose narrowly (say similar to 1992) it will just mean that they will double down and continue to be dominated by the Loony Left for the next parliament. That just won't work as a path back to power imo. As well as Corbyn has done this campaign, everyone gets sick of the same old faces after a few years and his stock is probably at a peak right now. I heard it well put that "The British electorate don't like to be asked twice.." in reference to Kinnock losing 2 successive elections, and I think its true. If you lose one election it is fundamentally because the electorate have rejected you, and asking them to vote for you again next time around is not going to have a different outcome.

 

[Mrk]

What exactly are we to vote for? We have a Tory party that hoodwinked people into Brexit and have fought what must rank as one of the most incompetent election campaigns in living memory, a Labour party whose manifesto is coated in fairy dust and whose cabinet are rank awful, or you've got fringe parties (and I count the Lib Dems among them) who are unlikely to make a difference.

I can't recall a time when the choices before us were so bad. It would be depressing enough if it wasn't such a crucial time in our history. May wanted this election to firm up her stance before the EU negotiations, but to be honest they must be looking at this and laughing their collective arses off.

Agree with every word of this. I've said it a few times, but I genuinely wish they could all lose.

 

[Tubey]

Judging by Abbott calling in sick for Women's Hour earlier, I think we can put to bed the idea of her being Home Secretary if Labour were to win this week. Corbyn is loyal, but he's not stupid, he'll know she's out of her depth, he's just not going to string her up in public days before an election.

She'll be Home Sec if he wins. If there were ever a reason to drop her from that brief, it would be before an election, not after.

 

[Milkman]

...dominated by the Loony Left...

You lost all credibility when you said that.

 

[evilwebby]

You lost all credibility when you said that.

Fair enough. everyone is entitled to their opinion. I guess you'd call them moderates, but I certainly wouldn't entertain the thought of voting for them.

Labour supporters would do well to remember that the only leader that has won an election for them in the last 40+ years has been Tony Blair, who is not exactly cut from the same cloth as Jeremy Corbyn.

 

[tsubaki]

She'll be Home Sec if he wins. If there were ever a reason to drop her from that brief, it would be before an election, not after.

She won't be. If the reports of her doing these interviews against the direct wishes of Corbyn and the Labour campaign team are true, there is no way that she will be rewarded afterwards. The only reason she is SHS to begin with is because of the boycott of Corbyn's cabinet by much of the PLP, which is not going to be an issue if he wins - either they will join the Government, or he won't be able to form one.