Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[roydo]

Just for clarity, Roydo, are you at all bothered about a Prime Minister expressing outrage about terrorist attacks perpetrated by criminals supplied by a regime cheerfully, obsequiously supported by the British government?

Just for clarity.

I am extremely concerned that it seems like we will have a PM that is seemingly scared of talking to people. And a buffoon of a Foreign Secretary.

On your wider point of the UK Govt selling stuff to Saudi, (I assume), its been distasteful for decades. Difference is, I dont lob the blame at the current incumbent for cheap wins. Like I said, The West, have been utterly rubbish in our understanding of the complexities in the ME since I studied it for History A Level in about 1893.

 

[ashwuk76]

I am extremely concerned that it seems like we will have a PM that is seemingly scared of talking to people. And a buffoon of a Foreign Secretary.

On your wider point of the UK Govt selling stuff to Saudi, (I assume), its been distasteful for decades. Difference is, I dont lob the blame at the current incumbent for cheap wins. Like I said, The West, have been utterly rubbish in our understanding of the complexities in the ME since I studied it for History A Level in about 1893.

She hasn't a clue mate.

I don't think it is just the Tories which is why i said earlier successive governments. However it has got worse in the last 30 years and it's mostly been the Tories in charge, except of course the labour government, which the second gulf war happened under. So yes In reality it has been mostly the Tories who haven't helped.

Selling arms to Saudi and others has never been helpful. Invading countries for oil doesn't help. Bombing countries to get who we want in charge and not helping rebuild doesn't help either.

That is why foreign policy needs to change because we haven't helped ourselves.

 

[Tubey]

The LP need to drop everything else and hammer this up to polling day. They weren't shy of pointing out cuts after Manchester and I dont think they will be after this either.

They need to go for it now and to hell with the niceties. This government's actions are killing innocent Britons up and down the country. Just tell that obvious truth and let the public decide whether it's 'crass' or spot on.

They'd be stupid to do so, given the counter is Corbyn doesn't believe in shoot to kill. I suppose his approach would have been to talk nicely to the people stabbing innocent civilians yesterday and ask them politely to stop.

Labour should avoid issues of national security like the plague. It is by far and away Corbyn's biggest Achilles Heel.

 

[roydo]

I don't think it is just the Tories which is why i said earlier successive governments. However it has got worse in the last 30 years and it's mostly been the Tories in charge, except of course the labour government, which the second gulf war happened under. So yes In reality it has been mostly the Tories who haven't helped.

Thats the point I was making. Folk lobbing the blame at the current incumbent for cheap points, when the reality is, the whole rotten bowl of syrup has been fermenting for years. Not just us either. The "West".

 

[ToffeeTim]

It's intelligence we need not extra on the ground. Our on the ground cops were first class last night. They physically couldn't really have done much better.

It's the prevention where we are lacking and that means intelligence. 3 lunatics on the rampage in a van was not down to tory cuts.

 

[ashwuk76]

It's intelligence we need not extra on the ground. Our on the ground cops were first class last night. They physically couldn't really have done much better.

It's the prevention where we are lacking and that means intelligence. 3 lunatics on the rampage in a van was not down to tory cuts.

With respect mate yes the cuts have contributed to it. Everyone knows police numbers are down and it's made people a lot bolder. The attacks have ramped up over the last 7 to 10 years, which is under the austerity agenda.

 

[roydo]

With respect mate yes the cuts have contributed to it. Everyone knows police numbers are down and it's made people a lot bolder. The attacks have ramped up over the last 7 to 10 years, which is under the austerity agenda.

That is nonsense.

The correlation that is.

 

[ashwuk76]

That is nonsense.

The correlation that is.

I don't think it is. The cuts have helped the environment for this sort of thing to happen. Can you honestly say that these sorts of attacks would have happened say 15 years ago? Not saying it's totally to blame but it hasn't helped.

 

[ToffeeTim]

With respect mate yes the cuts have contributed to it. Everyone knows police numbers are down and it's made people a lot bolder. The attacks have ramped up over the last 7 to 10 years, which is under the austerity agenda.

Extra police would not have stopped that last night. Extra intelligence might have.

Tory cuts is crass politicising of a barbaric attack.

 

[ashwuk76]

Extra police would not have stopped that last night. Extra intelligence might have.

Tory cuts is crass politicising of a barbaric attack.

It's not crass politicising mate. It's talking the issue over and yes with more police there may have been more foot patrols in the area. Obviously can't say if it would have stopped them but it might have helped.

The police do an amazing job. And it's not just me saying police cuts haven't helped.

 

[roydo]

I don't think it is. The cuts have helped the environment for this sort of thing to happen. Can you honestly say that these sorts of attacks would have happened say 15 years ago? Not saying it's totally to blame but it hasn't helped.

What? ISIS look at a Government budget and reckon its a good time to bomb something?

The police killed 3 terrorists within 8 minutes of it kicking off. Hardly a poor response. Think you are kicking the wrong door down on this mate.

 

[ToffeeTim]

That is nonsense.

The correlation that is.

The Corbynistas seem intent on blaming ourselves for everything. It couldn't possibly be the fault of the actual extremist terrorists now could it.....

 

[Tubey]

It's not crass politicising mate. It's talking the issue over and yes with more police there may have been more foot patrols in the area. Obviously can't say if it would have stopped them but it might have helped.

The police do an amazing job. And it's not just me saying police cuts haven't helped.

If ISIS-inspired nutters gave the slightest toss about police numbers, they wouldn't attack London. They'd attack, I dunno... Bury or somewhere.

They don't. It plays no role in their planning whatsoever, and more police last night wouldn't have made the blindest bit of difference to the outcome or, indeed, the response, which was exceptional.

 

[ashwuk76]

What? ISIS look at a Government budget and reckon its a good time to bomb something?

The police killed 3 terrorists within 8 minutes of it kicking off. Hardly a poor response. Think you are kicking the wrong door down on this mate.

Didn't say it was a poor response did I? The police do an amazing job as already said.

They don't look at budgets but they would look at policing levels and plan accordingly. As i have said not just me saying the cuts haven't helped. Former police are saying it today too and i agree with them.

 

[roydo]

It's not crass politicising mate. It's talking the issue over and yes with more police there may have been more foot patrols in the area. Obviously can't say if it would have stopped them but it might have helped.

The police do an amazing job. And it's not just me saying police cuts haven't helped.

To this observer, thats exactly what is is.

"Folk blown up in London, Police cuts to blame". Thats the narrative I see.