Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[Catfish Blues]

It's never been made an issue of because you're talking rubbish. Each ward has a budget. Each ward will have a safe staffing level. Every time that level goes down either due to nurses leaving, going on maternity leave, sickness etc then the ward has to use bank staff to fill in the gaps to comply with the policies and procedures. Bank nurses receive exactly the same rate as their normal pay, paid on the same banding. You're talking complete and utter garbage lad.

That's true mate, but there's a difference between bank and agency staff and agency rates are generally higher, if for no other reason that the agency take a commission and, up to a couple of years ago, some of those commissions were very lucrative. The commisions are now capped, but, because of the reporting in the press from a few years ago, there's still a view amongst the general public that agency nurses cost a fortune.

If you're interested, then the details are at :-

https://improvement.nhs.uk/resources/reducing-expenditure-on-nhs-agency-staff-rules-and-price-caps/

 

[hullefc]

This election started with Corbyn is un-electable and was going to get hammered. A sense of how well Corbyn is doing, is how desperate the Tories are. Using lies, slurs and innuendos including paying facebook to put their latest fake news about Corbyn into people’s news feeds. The Tories must be getting terrible feedback from their canvassers, to further launch project fear which must be mark 10 by now about Corbyn.

It is not going well for the Tories and they are gripped by panic and can only do what comes naturally to them, play dirty.

 

[Minimeister]

That's true mate, but there's a difference between bank and agency staff and agency rates are generally higher, if for no other reason that the agency take a commission and, up to a couple of years ago, some of those commissions were very lucrative. The commisions are now capped, but, because of the reporting in the press from a few years ago, there's still a view amongst the general public that agency nurses cost a fortune.

If you're interested, then the details are at :-

https://improvement.nhs.uk/resources/reducing-expenditure-on-nhs-agency-staff-rules-and-price-caps/

Absolutely mate. Agencies, or the private sector, have long seen the NHS as a cash cow, but to say the NHS deliberately understaff the wards so they can use these greedy cowboys is stupid even for a tory scare story.

 

[Minimeister]

This election started with Corbyn is un-electable and was going to get hammered. A sense of how well Corbyn is doing, is how desperate the Tories are. Using lies, slurs and innuendos including paying facebook to put their latest fake news about Corbyn into people’s news feeds. The Tories must be getting terrible feedback from their canvassers, to further launch project fear which must be mark 10 by now about Corbyn.

It is not going well for the Tories and they are gripped by panic and can only do what comes naturally to them, play dirty.

I wish their supporters would just say they agree with benefits being slashed and the policies the Tories follow instead of the fantasy scare stories they create to justify it.

 

[zzr45]

It's never been made an issue of because you're talking rubbish. Each ward has a budget. Each ward will have a safe staffing level. Every time that level goes down either due to nurses leaving, going on maternity leave, sickness etc then the ward has to use bank staff to fill in the gaps to comply with the policies and procedures. Bank nurses receive exactly the same rate as their normal pay, paid on the same banding. You're talking complete and utter garbage lad.

https://www.nursingtimes.net/roles/...y-pay-rates-for-agency-nurses/7000502.article

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/hea...tes-of-150-an-hour-to-work-bank-holidays.html

No your right mate, talking out my rectum here. Get to buggery.

 

[Minimeister]

https://www.nursingtimes.net/roles/...y-pay-rates-for-agency-nurses/7000502.article

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/hea...tes-of-150-an-hour-to-work-bank-holidays.html

No your right mate, talking out my rectum here. Get to buggery.

That's the private sector your talking about, your post said bank nurses who are employed by the NHS. So yes you were talkng out of your harris.

 

[orchard]

Oh right - well, 50-80m died between 1938-1945.

So more in seven years than in the following fifty-five. No global power conflicts. Indeed, one definitely stopped by nuclear weaponry in the Cold War.

Funny that.

Which?

 

[zzr45]

That's the private sector your talking about, your post said bank nurses who are employed by the NHS. So yes you were talkng out of your harris.

Apologies then, I've got my terms mixed up. The point remains though that surely if the NHS was actually staffed properly (in that it had internal cover for the gaps that open up) then it would reduce the huge amounts being paid out to external companies? And that money could actually be spent on better care?

 

[Milkman]

May is just so weak, it's unbearable. She looks like she's about to cry every time she's challenged, like her software is malfunctioning. She's running MS-DOS in an iPad generation.

She is everything people hate about politicians. Evasive, manipulative, callous and spineless. And yet, in all likelihood, she'll still probably win next week.

 

[Mozza1987]

What the hell was the nuke stuff about then. Embarrassing from some people in the audience. Wanting to know if he would kill innocent people. Absolutely pathetic! More important issues than that.

 

[Minimeister]

Apologies then, I've got my terms mixed up. The point remains though that surely if the NHS was actually staffed properly (in that it had internal cover for the gaps that open up) then it would reduce the huge amounts being paid out to external companies? And that money could actually be spent on better care?

The NHS were horrific at wasting money years ago. They would happily pay an agency nurse double to cover a shift because there were no cost pressures. In the last few years and the saving pressure the NHS are under they created their own banks to fill as many of the shifts as possible. I can't understand how you think any service in the NHS would deliberately understaff itself to spend this money on external people? Wards have to be fully staffed since the Francis report and unscrupulous agencies will always try and take advantage of that. It's not deliberate mate, they have to do it to comply with the laws because if something goes wrong then everyone pays.

 

[Tubey]

'No global power conflicts' - Vietnam, Cambodia, most of Africa, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria etc. etc. etc. have all been major conflicts that has resulted in deaths. There were constant conflicts during the cold war not stopped by nuclear weapons.

Are they world wars mate? No. Have world wars been stopped by the existence of nuclear weaponry? Yes. As such, have nuclear weapons saved lives, given more lives were lost in a world war in seven years than regional conflicts over the following fifty-five? It's a yes I'm afraid.

 

[Tubey]

Which?

The three words after the bolded text is the answer...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's never been made an issue of because you're talking rubbish. Each ward has a budget. Each ward will have a safe staffing level. Every time that level goes down either due to nurses leaving, going on maternity leave, sickness etc then the ward has to use bank staff to fill in the gaps to comply with the policies and procedures. Bank nurses receive exactly the same rate as their normal pay, paid on the same banding. You're talking complete and utter garbage lad.

Bank nurses are effectively zero hour employees though so presumably they'll be banned if Labour get in?

 

[Tubey]

Can see why you think that, given some of the questions asked by some of the audience tonight. However I honestly think (and obviously hope) that people are underestimating the young vote, just not sure on whether it will make the difference

It'd need something unprecedented in modern democracy in terms of young vote turnout to get him close. Just won't happen.

Too many red lines with Corbyn for too many people. His best hope is to have a "Cleggmania" style of effect due to a good campaign and stop the Tory landslide.