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2017 general election

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 24 6.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 264 71.0%
  • Tories

    Votes: 41 11.0%
  • Cheese on the ballot paper

    Votes: 35 9.4%
  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.1%

  • Total voters
    372
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More students from poor background have gone to university since fees were introduced than ever before though?

Grants and financial support for students from low income families has been cut/scrapped in the past few years. When I was at university, I was paid maintainance grants so that I could afford to go. I don't think they exist anymore.
 
They already sort of do. Its not like student loans/tuition fees act like a dead weight of debt around their necks, but they do enable anyone from any background to go to university.

My lad went, and the general feeling I get from him and his mates re the "debt", is a massive Meh.

It's a graduate tax in essence. A couple of quid goes out of your pay every month. It's only when you start hitting bigger wages of 30k or more that it starts becoming a bit more sizeable. It's 9% of every quid over 18k. Not unreasonable at all. Written off after 25 years. In my instance when I'm 46.

I don't get the anger and nonsense people say about the system. Free at the point of use and extremely fair. So much myth and lies bandied about.
 
Grants and financial support for students from low income families has been cut/scrapped in the past few years. When I was at university, I was paid maintainance grants so that I could afford to go. I don't think they exist anymore.

Yeah, my lad had one at the time, cant recall the actual name, ESA?

Me and his mum chipped in from time to time, but he also had learnt to cook, properly, and could feed his student digs, (4 of them, in London), quite easily and healthily for not a lot of money. Either way, he got through 4 years, (1 as an intern, paid modestly), unscathed.
 
Yeah, my lad had one at the time, cant recall the actual name, ESA?

Me and his mum chipped in from time to time, but he also had learnt to cook, properly, and could feed his student digs, (4 of them, in London), quite easily and healthily for not a lot of money. Either way, he got through 4 years, (1 as an intern, paid modestly), unscathed.

ESA was educational maintainance allowance during college. It helps with travel costs and the like. That's been scrapped since I used to get it.

The government replaced maintainance grants (which you don't have to pay back) with maintainance loans for students from low income families. That means poorer students could end up paying back more than their wealthier counterparts. Why?
 
ESA was educational maintainance allowance during college. It helps with travel costs and the like. That's been scrapped since I used to get it.

The government replaced maintainance grants (which you don't have to pay back) with maintainance loans for students from low income families. That means poorer students could end up paying back more than their wealthier counterparts. Why?

Dunno.
 
Grants and financial support for students from low income families has been cut/scrapped in the past few years. When I was at university, I was paid maintainance grants so that I could afford to go. I don't think they exist anymore.

To an extent though its irrelevant, as they now get a loan that they don't pay back until they're not on a low-income any more.
 
ESA was educational maintainance allowance during college. It helps with travel costs and the like. That's been scrapped since I used to get it.

The government replaced maintainance grants (which you don't have to pay back) with maintainance loans for students from low income families. That means poorer students could end up paying back more than their wealthier counterparts. Why?
They still exist, it just isn't a full ride grant like it used to be. There is a portion of the grant that is a loan that's payable on graduation. Students from wealthier families get no grant and instead have a full loan. What has been removed is the non means tested loan which meant everyone got the same amount regardless. That lead to situations where kids with millionaire parents were getting very cheap loans which just wasn't right. There's now a greater emphasis on parents finding students through uni if they come from a home with a decent income. Arguably it's why the bank of mum and dad is still getting abused as students lose the ability to budget.
 
Anyone on here ever worked for the DWP care to comment on the tories current attitude towards the sick and disabled ??
 
GP Louise Irvine: ‘Jeremy Hunt has not been a good steward of the NHS’
GP and activist Louise Irvine explains how the crisis in the NHS has pushed her to stand against the health secretary in the forthcoming election

Hélène Mulholland
Published:14:00 BST Wed 17 May 2017

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She has beaten Jeremy Hunt in the courts but Dr Louise Irvine is now determined to unseat the health secretary at the ballot box. Irvine, who is standing for the National Health Action party , is giving it her best shot. “All change is possible,” she insists. “You owe it to people to fight to win.”

The 59-year-old GP first clashed with Hunt in 2013 as chair of the successful campaign to stop casualty and maternity unit service closures at Lewisham Hospital in south-east London. She then stood against him at the 2015 general election but garnered just 8.5% of votes, coming fourth in the constituency of South West Surrey, behind Labour and ahead of the Liberal Democrats.

This time, Irvine has the backing of a cross-party group of local activists who selected her as the progressive alliance candidate as a tactic to increase the chance of ousting Hunt. To this end local Green, Liberal Democrat and Labour party members have offered to campaign on her behalf – a move that prompted the Labour party to expel three of its members last week. The Labour, Lib Dems and Ukip national parties are all fielding candidates.

Is her bid to topple the health secretary personal? Yes and no: there’s no hate there, she offers, but he doesn’t seem to care. “People don’t really believe that he cares enough and you need somebody who cares and recognises the problem and is seen to act.” During the 2015 campaign, she says that Hunt accused her of “scaremongering” about threats to the NHS. Two years on, she points to a slew of indicators showing things getting worse: hospital, A&E and ambulance waiting times; trolley waits; access to mental health services and staffing levels, to name but a few. “He has to be challenged; he has not been a good steward,” she stresses.

Irvine sits on the executive of the NHA, a party co-founded five years ago by the former independent MP for Wyre Forest, Dr Richard Taylor, in the wake of the Health and Social Care Act 2012, which extended a market-based approach to the provision of NHS services in England. With more than 6,000 members UK-wide and just one councillor, its core mission is to see the NHS restored to a publicly funded, publicly provided and publicly accountable health service, though Irvine stresses that the party’s focus is on health in the widest sense.

Flagship commitments in the party’s manifesto include an annual minimum increase in NHS funding of 4% per year, equivalent to around £6bn, free personal social care in England and ending privatisation. To achieve the latter, the party wants to repeal legislation supporting markets in the NHS, including the Health and Social Care Act 2012 covering England. “You don’t need a market to provide quality, cost-effective care” says Irvine.

She argues that removing competitive tendering and competition from the health service could save billions. As an example, she lists the costly and time-consuming steps clinical commissioning groups (CCGs) take to award contracts through competitive tendering. There can also be legal costs related to disputes over tendering decisions. Virgin Care, for example, is suing NHS England, Surrey county council and the county’s six CCGs after losing a contract to provide children’s services.

On free personal social care in England, Irvine cites a recent experience of writing a detailed letter to ensure a patient with severe and complex health problems could receive personal social care as part of their continuing health care needs – a request subsequently turned down. “I hardly see anybody who actually qualifies for social care for healthcare problems. We say if somebody is there feeding you, changing you, giving you medication, helping you move around because you have healthcare needs, that’s healthcare, so make it part of healthcare.” How would the party’s commitments be funded? It wants to see the reinstatement of the 50p rate of tax and Irvine also cites reversing cuts in corporation tax. Don’t expect her to go into detail over costing though; after all, it’s not as if her party, with only five potential MPs, is going to form a government any time soon. “I’m not going to be in government,” she says. “It’s not my job to find out how every penny is found.”

Irvine will be canvassing for votes in an area that came to public attention earlier this year after the Tory leader of Surrey county council highlighted pressures on social care budget as a result of cuts. Ask her how she intends to court 28,000 Tory voters who gave Hunt a huge majority in 2015, and she tells you she believes local concerns about the NHS will be high on their list of priorities. “If we are talking about the possibility of the NHS being dismantled as a public service and we’ve seen it declining, that decline is happening in Surrey too. People are seeing it, people are feeling it and people are concerned about it. And I think those concerns are ones I will address – without scaremongering. I don’t need to; I just need to quote the facts.”

revealed promises to give the NHS more than £6bn extra in annual funding through increasing income tax on the top 5% of earners and increasing tax on private medical insurance. Other commitments include an extra £8bn for social care and repealing the Health and Social Care Act. Speaking before Labour’s official manifesto launch, Irvine welcomed the proposals but said she wanted greater clarity on Labour’s stance on reversing privatisation.

Aside from her frontline experience of working as a GP for almost 30 years, Irvine – the eldest of six children born in Scotland to two Labour-voting teachers – has also accrued a strong track record as a campaigner and activist: she sits on the British Medical Association council; serves as secretary of the Medical Practitioners’ Union, and is also the elected co-chair of Health Campaigns Together, an umbrella organisation of NHS campaigning groups.

She firmly believes that their work has influenced Labour’s general election proposals. Jeremy Corbyn has promised an extra £37bn over the next parliament to take 1 million patients off NHS waiting lists by 2020 and has told nurses, who have voted to ballot for strike action over pay, that it will lift the 1% pay cap. Had Labour come out with proposals like that five years ago, the NHA may have never been formed, she quips.

Given that the NHA wants a change of government, why stand against Labour? Irvine says her party is only fielding five candidates, (it was originally six prior to the decision of Jack Monroe to step down last week) and moreover it would never stand against Labour in a marginal, says Irvine who has voted for Labour and the Greens in the past. “If I get elected, I will work with progressive people in parliament, whether that be Labour, Greens or the SNP – who have been pretty good on these issues too – and I would hope they would respect me as someone who has got something special to contribute,” she explains.

Overturning Hunt’s majority is not “inconceivable”, she insists with enviable optimism. Ask her what her party’s co-founder Richard Taylor achieved while serving as an MP between 2001 and 2010, and she will point to the expertise he offered as a “respected, knowledgeable NHS champion”.

She refers to the Greens’ Caroline Lucas as a more recent example of a lone MP seen to be making a difference. “People say well, if you get elected so what? I think having one person in parliament whose main focus is to champion the NHS gives energy to that issue in a way that nothing else does.” She adds: “I would also represent my constituents and do all the other things an MP should do.”

Curriculum vitae
Age: 59.

Family: Married to a retired paediatrician. Two grown-up children.

Education: Harlaw Academy, Aberdeen; Aberdeen University, degree in medicine; Kings College, University of London, MSc in general practice.

Career: 2002-present: GP trainer and programme director for GP training, Lewisham, south London; 1995 to present: GP partner, Amersham Vale Practice, Lewisham; various part-time GP jobs in west of Scotland then London when children were young; 1983-85: volunteer primary care doctor, Nicaragua (sponsored by Scottish Medical Aid for Nicaragua); pre-registration house officer posts in Glasgow and East Kilbride; three-year GP training, west Scotland.

Public life: executive member, NHA party; member BMA council; member, BMA GPs committee; secretary, Medical Practitioners’ Union, co-chair, Health Campaigns Together; chair, Save Lewisham Hospital Campaign she founded in 2012; founded the successful New School Campaign for a new secondary school in Lewisham in 2000; set up ArtsLift mental health project to enable people with mental health problems to access adult education arts classes in Lewisham; helped set up charity Scottish Medical Aid for Nicaragua in 1980.

Interests: Cooking, allotment gardening, cinema, walking in the Scottish highlands and islands.
 
It's a graduate tax in essence. A couple of quid goes out of your pay every month. It's only when you start hitting bigger wages of 30k or more that it starts becoming a bit more sizeable. It's 9% of every quid over 18k. Not unreasonable at all. Written off after 25 years. In my instance when I'm 46.

I don't get the anger and nonsense people say about the system. Free at the point of use and extremely fair. So much myth and lies bandied about.

Agree with this to some extent. The worry of course is whether it's a slippery slope away from graduate tax and more towards education loans.
 


Corbyn’s inspiring manifesto takes me back to Labour’s 1945 blueprint for hope
Harry Leslie Smith


My generation is the last to remember the destitution of life in Britain before the NHS and the welfare state. Heed our warnings, before we are gone.
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Wednesday 17 May 2017 14.51 BSTLast modified on Wednesday 17 May 2017 14.58 BST

It was at Bradford University on Tuesday that Jeremy Corbyn unveiled the Labour party’s election manifesto. In the grand hall, Corbyn spoke to an enthusiastic gathering of students and party faithful about the concrete plans Labour has to transform Britain into a country where the many will prosper instead of the few. Corbyn spoke about the need to properly fund the NHS, provide free tuition to students, end the blight of zero-hours contracts, and raise the living wage to £10 an hour.

For me, a man who was born and bred in the harsh poverty of Britain after the first world war, it was inspiring. But what moved me most was the venue he chose to announce this manifesto of equality and fairness – because Bradford University is built on ground that, in my youth, was a site of great suffering and death.

You see, within the boundaries of what is now the university campus, my boyhood dreams and idealism were crushed under the cruel weight of austerity during the Great Depression. When I was young, this was not a place where one’s future was made but where it was condemned. The grounds that now hold this university contained a slum, and hope never penetrated its dark, enveloping canopy of destitution.

My family arrived in the neighbourhood that once covered this well-maintained university as penniless and jobless economic migrants from Barnsley in 1929. Then, it was an endless, warren-like landscape of dilapidated houses that nestled in cul-de-sacs where no one expected to enjoy either a decent or a long life because there was no welfare state or NHS. If hard luck struck, all that was available was poor relief, which paid a mean weekly stipend that guaranteed either starvation or homelessness.


My family couldn’t survive on poor relief, so we ended up living cheek by jowl in a doss house with a multitude of other desperate characters. Like us, all of them had been washed up on its doorstep like the flotsam that crashes on to a desolate beach after a terrible tempest. Soldiers from the first world war who had been promised a land fit for heroes by lying politicians resided in the doss where my family kipped. During the day, they still tried to hold themselves up bravely.

Like my dad, these Tommies looked for work in a city whose factories had been hushed by the collapse of the world’s economies. But at night when they tried to sleep, weary from unemployment and PTSD, I’d hear their cries of terror because their dreams had sent them back into battle at Ypres or the Somme.


As for me, my childhood was a nightmare of indentured servitude and malnutrition. At bedtime, my sister and I would huddle together for warmth on a piss-stained flock mattress on an unlit garret floor. We would try to quell the gnawing in our stomachs by wondering what our king had eaten for his tea that evening.

Even while playing, my boyhood was never blissful. In this part of Bradford I was always reminded that death for the poor is miserable, brutal and lonely: from open windows, I heard the inhuman howls of cancer sufferers dying in agony because poverty denied them the dignity of morphine.

But all of that changed in 1945when, at the end of the second world war, the Labour party fought a general election on a manifesto that promised the creation of the NHS, affordable education, an end to that era’s housing crisis and fair conditions for all workers. The Labour party’s 2017 election manifesto echoes the sentiments found in Labour’s 1945 manifesto that inspired my generation to build a just society.

Labourto have unfurled its manifesto here for the nation to see.

But I fear that the 2017 manifesto, no matter how just and how right for our times, may not catch the wind it needs to help this country sail forward to hope and prosperity because we have forgotten the hardships, tragedies and triumphs of my generation. It’s sad for me to ponder how on Remembrance Sunday people speak solemnly about their commitment to never forgetting those who fell in war, while those uncountable lives that were cut short because of economic injustice throughout the early part of the 20th century are forgotten.

I can tell you, as a very old man, that I am afraid for the future of ordinary people in Britain. Because by the time the next general election is scheduled, in 2022, most of those from my generation, who have survived for so long, will be dead or incapacitated. No one then may be left alive to remember the profound suffering, the hardship, the sorrow and the eventual victory all those nameless, ordinary people achieved in 1945 with election of a Labour government.

Forgetting them, and the lessons your parents or grandparents taught you from their lives about how to overcome austerity and build a proper and just society, will condemn you to something far worse than I experienced growing up.
 
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