Current Affairs 2017 General Election

2017 general election

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 24 6.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 264 71.0%
  • Tories

    Votes: 41 11.0%
  • Cheese on the ballot paper

    Votes: 35 9.4%
  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.1%

  • Total voters
    372
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Just seen that on Newsnight. They said it would be 39% by the end of the parliament. It is a lie. The experts can't predict how large GDP will be in 5 minutes never mind 5 years. Claiming it would be 39% was deliberate. More scaremongering.
We will be in Schmitz creek if Corbyn gets in the only benefit he is altering is the bedroom tax the rest stays big with his talk no action for the disabled?
 
We will be in Schmitz creek if Corbyn gets in the only benefit he is altering is the bedroom tax the rest stays big with his talk no action for the disabled?

From their manifesto about those with disabilities.

"Labour supports a social model of disability. People may have a condition or an impairment but they are disabled by society. We need to remove the barriers in society that restrict opportunities and choices for people with disabilities. We will build on the previous Labour government’s commitment to people with disabilities in 2009 as signatories to the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, and incorporate it into UK law.
Labour will repeal the following cuts in social security support to people with disabilities through a new Social Security Bill published in our first year in office.
We will:
• Increase Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) by £30 per week for those in the work-related activity group, and repeal cuts in the UC limited capacity for work element.
• Increase Carer’s Allowance by £11 to the level of Jobseekers’ Allowance.
• Implement the court decision on Personal Independence Payment (PIP) so that there is real parity of esteem between those with physical and mental-health conditions.
• Scrap the Work Capability and Personal Independence Payment assessments and replace them with a personalised, holistic assessment process that provides each individual with a tailored plan, building on their strengths and addressing barriers. Labour will end the privatisation of assessments.
• End the pointless stress of reassessments for people with severe long-term conditions.
• Commission a report into expanding the Access to Work programme.

We will change the culture of the social security system, from one that demonises people not in work to one that is supportive and enabling. As well as scrapping the Conservatives’ punitive sanctions regime, we will change how -obcentre Plus staff are performance-managed. Labour will strengthen access to justice for people with disabilities by enhancing the 2010 Equality Act, enabling discrimination at work to be challenged. We will ensure that under the Istanbul Convention, disability hate crime and violence against women with disabilities is reported annually, with national actions plans to address these issues".
 
Not gonna lie, I hate the scrapping of the current tuition fee system. I hate the tripe I've heard all day. I hate the myths being banded about. I hate the lies. I hate the regressive policy it is of making hard working taxpayers solely fund students.

The current system is as close to fair as I can think of. I'd love to hear someone's reasons why they think graduates shouldn't pay back a little bit once their education has brought them to a decent wage. I don't get why it's seen as such a shocking thing. You get the privilege of higher level education, you pay a little back once you got a good wage. If you don't make it to that income level in your lifetime you won't pay a single penny! How can a debt which you might not even pay back a penny of be crippling!!

why do you assume they wouldn't pay back the expenses under this proposal? obviously, when (if) they get a good wage, then they pay a higher tax rate to compensate.

and why the implication that individuals with uni degrees are the only people who benefit from their education?

why shouldn't corporations which couldn't even begin to function without degree-holders not also contribute to the expense of training their employees?

every time you enter a hospital, you're benefiting from higher education. why shouldn't you also contribute to sustaining the future of the system?

every time you use virtually any product or service designed or imported into the UK, you're benefiting from others' higher education. not to mention your prospects of a pension...

and if you can accept those premises, then why not cover the costs of a degree up front, rather than saddling students (who for the most part are inspired to contribute to the community as well as just enriching themselves) with the burden of massive interest rates in a depressed economy?

adjusting for inflation thanks to Brexit, which students overwhelmingly opposed, the effective annual rate is expected to top 6%, twice even the American (!) rate, almost three times the personal bank rate, and five times the mortage rate. what's the benefit of making them tack on the expense of interest payments, even if they can afford it?

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/apr/11/student-loan-interest-rate-rise-uk-inflation-brexit

or should we also apply your logic by scrapping public institutions like the NHS, and just have everyone pay upfront or borrow to cover their own private medical costs? or why not just stick all parents with the bill (plus interest) for the education of their children up to age 18?
 
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why do you assume they wouldn't pay back the expenses under this proposal? obviously, when (if) they get a good wage, then they pay a higher tax rate to compensate.

and why the implication that individuals with uni degrees are the only people who benefit from their education?

why shouldn't corporations which couldn't even begin to function without degree-holders not also contribute to the expense of training their employees?

every time you enter a hospital, you're benefiting from higher education. why shouldn't you also contribute to sustaining the future of the system?

every time you use virtually any product or service designed or imported into the UK, you're benefiting from others' higher education.

and if you can accept those premises, then why not cover the costs of a degree up front, rather than saddling students (who for the most part are inspired to contribute to the community as well as just enriching themselves) with the burden of massive interest rates in a depressed economy?

adjusting for inflation thanks to Brexit, which students overwhelmingly opposed, the effective annual rate is expected to top 6%, twice even the American (!) rate, almost three times the personal bank rate, and five times the mortage rate. what's the benefit of making them tack on the expense of interest payments, even if they can afford it?

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/apr/11/student-loan-interest-rate-rise-uk-inflation-brexit

or should we also apply your logic by scrapping public institutions like the NHS, and just have everyone pay upfront or borrow to cover their own private medical costs?

I am a recent graduate. I think I should pay back for my education. Not other workers who weren't privileged to go. It's a better way of funding universities than more tax rises and borrowing.
 
From their manifesto about those with disabilities.

"Labour supports a social model of disability. People may have a condition or an impairment but they are disabled by society. We need to remove the barriers in society that restrict opportunities and choices for people with disabilities. We will build on the previous Labour government’s commitment to people with disabilities in 2009 as signatories to the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, and incorporate it into UK law.
Labour will repeal the following cuts in social security support to people with disabilities through a new Social Security Bill published in our first year in office.
We will:
• Increase Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) by £30 per week for those in the work-related activity group, and repeal cuts in the UC limited capacity for work element.
• Increase Carer’s Allowance by £11 to the level of Jobseekers’ Allowance.
• Implement the court decision on Personal Independence Payment (PIP) so that there is real parity of esteem between those with physical and mental-health conditions.
• Scrap the Work Capability and Personal Independence Payment assessments and replace them with a personalised, holistic assessment process that provides each individual with a tailored plan, building on their strengths and addressing barriers. Labour will end the privatisation of assessments.
• End the pointless stress of reassessments for people with severe long-term conditions.
• Commission a report into expanding the Access to Work programme.

We will change the culture of the social security system, from one that demonises people not in work to one that is supportive and enabling. As well as scrapping the Conservatives’ punitive sanctions regime, we will change how -obcentre Plus staff are performance-managed. Labour will strengthen access to justice for people with disabilities by enhancing the 2010 Equality Act, enabling discrimination at work to be challenged. We will ensure that under the Istanbul Convention, disability hate crime and violence against women with disabilities is reported annually, with national actions plans to address these issues".
Labour did introduce autos assessments by the way!
 
Labour did introduce autos assessments by the way!

Labour also introduced the Bedroom tax - which is going to stop if they are elected -, which Corbyn voted against. Corbyn has also opposed ESA cuts.

"Out of the four leadership candidates, Yvette Cooper, Andy Burnham, and Liz Kendall all abstained on the proposals. Jeremy Corbyn voted against - Welfare Reform and Work's Bill, which included cut to ESA.

Labour says it supports the benefit cap and cuts to mortgage support but not disability benefit cuts or the repeal of child poverty targets. Its amendment does not mention tax credit cuts".

Things have changed on Labour's outlook since Corbyn got elected.
 
I am a recent graduate. I think I should pay back for my education. Not other workers who weren't privileged to go. It's a better way of funding universities than more tax rises and borrowing.

^ a quintessential summation of the penny-wise pound-foolish attitudes that are driving our bleak and stupid future.

yes, obviously everyone should contribute to the cost of their education.

but there's a much smarter way of doing it than saddling new entrants to the workforce during their prime productive years with spiraling interest rates on student debt (to say nothing of the stifling effect this has on consumer spending). this is why, as I said before, we don't also present parents or teenagers upon graduation with the full bill (plus interest) for their primary and secondary education.

just pay your taxes. the state wouldn't have to keep borrowing so much if we didn't keep counter-productively cutting them.

no, not everyone was privileged enough to attend uni, but many more would be if tuition was made affordable again - which, I hope is obvious enough that I don't have to explain again, has a multiplying beneficial effect for everyone, even those who didn't or won't attend.

in an age of relentless global competition and automation, improving the quality and breadth of its inhabitants' education is just about this country's only prayer of a sustainable long-term economic future. it is likely the single most critical factor in any society's prospects of attaining or maintaining future prosperity.

if we can't even recognise the collective value of mass public education anymore, we're utterly sunk.
 
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^ a quintessential summation of the penny-wise pound-foolish attitudes that are driving our bleak and stupid future.

yes, obviously everyone should contribute to the cost of their education.

but there's a much smarter way of doing it than saddling new entrants to the workforce during their prime productive years with spiraling interest rates on student debt (to say nothing of the drag this creates on consumer spending). this is why, as I said before, we don't also present parents or teenagers for the bill (plus interest) for their primary and secondary education.

just pay your taxes. the state wouldn't have to keep borrowing so much if we didn't keep counter-productively cutting them.

no, not everyone was privileged enough to attend uni, but many more would be if tuition was made affordable again - which, I hope is obvious enough that I don't have to explain again, has a multiplying beneficial effect for everyone, even those who didn't or won't attend.

in an age of relentless global competition and automation, improving the quality and breadth of its inhabitants' education is just about this country's only prayer of a sustainable long-term economic future. it is likely the single most critical factor in any society's prospects of attaining future prosperity.

if we can't even recognise the collective value of mass public education anymore, we're utterly sunk.

Tuition is free at the point of use. I stop reading at "make it affordable again". How can something which is free be unaffordable.

As for the interest rates, it's still only 9% of the earnings over the threshold. It has no affect on your monthly repayment. All it means is you'll pay back for longer. But that's a moot point as it's written off after 25 years and hardly anyone is forecast to repay the whole whack in any case. Only very high earners.
 
I am a recent graduate. I think I should pay back for my education. Not other workers who weren't privileged to go. It's a better way of funding universities than more tax rises and borrowing.

I assume you would want those trained as doctors by the state, to pay back all the money that it costs to train them. Currently £230 000 of which they will not pay back £160 000.
 
Labour also introduced the Bedroom tax - which is going to stop if they are elected -, which Corbyn voted against. Corbyn has also opposed ESA cuts.

"Out of the four leadership candidates, Yvette Cooper, Andy Burnham, and Liz Kendall all abstained on the proposals. Jeremy Corbyn voted against - Welfare Reform and Work's Bill, which included cut to ESA.

Labour says it supports the benefit cap and cuts to mortgage support but not disability benefit cuts or the repeal of child poverty targets. Its amendment does not mention tax credit cuts".

Things have changed on Labour's outlook since Corbyn got elected.
Yes wait and see if he is elected first!
 
Not gonna lie, I hate the scrapping of the current tuition fee system. I hate the tripe I've heard all day. I hate the myths being banded about. I hate the lies. I hate the regressive policy it is of making hard working taxpayers solely fund students.

The current system is as close to fair as I can think of. I'd love to hear someone's reasons why they think graduates shouldn't pay back a little bit once their education has brought them to a decent wage. I don't get why it's seen as such a shocking thing. You get the privilege of higher level education, you pay a little back once you got a good wage. If you don't make it to that income level in your lifetime you won't pay a single penny! How can a debt which you might not even pay back a penny of be crippling!!
Yeah and why don't we start making people pay to go to school while we're at it.
 
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